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    ‘Deaths of despair’: Docs warn dire lockdown consequences, say suicides outpacing covid deaths in California

    Doctors are seeing higher levels of “despair” and an “unprecedented” spike in suicides as governors continue to keep coronavirus-related ‘stay-at-home’ orders in place, while states that have eased restrictions are seeing declines overall in death rates.
    In an interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, network health contributor Dr. Marc Siegel, an associate professor of medicine at the NYU Langone Medical Center, said “lockdowns don’t work” after a virus has already spread throughout the country, as debate over whether and how quickly to reopen states continues.
    “Lockdowns don’t work if there is already a lot of virus in the area, in the community, in the state, the country,” Siegel said.
    The medical professor then referenced a “shocking” study released Wednesday by JP Morgan that found states and countries where lockdowns were put in place actually had higher rates of coronavirus cases than regions that remained open throughout the COVID-19 pandemic.

    JPMorgan has a devastating piece arguing that infection rates have declined — not increased — in states where lockdowns have ended, “even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag.” (Kolonavic)




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    Same goes for various countries, adds JPM. “This means that the pandemic and COVID-19 likely have its own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented..”






    “South Dakota, which was never locked down, has had almost no cases over the last several days,” Siegel said.



    “In Hong Kong … they have a very ineffective government. You know why they have been able to do so well with only four deaths from COVID-19? Because the people behaved,” he continued. “They knew how to do social distancing. It wasn’t locking down. Locking down definitely doesn’t make the problem better … if there is already a lot of virus.”
    The medical expert urged governors to quickly lift restrictions on movement and businesses and reopen their states to prevent more “deaths of despair.”
    “You know what locking down does? Locking down destroys our health care system to the point where we have more heart attacks [in patients] that are not going to the hospital now,” he said. “More strokes that are not going to the hospital now. More cancer that is not being screened. People say they are afraid to go to the emergency room right now.”
    He added: “Suicide, drug abuse, alcoholism, there are going to be more deaths of despair than from the virus itself.”


    Siegel’s warning echos those of emergency room doctors at a hospital in California, who say they are seeing far more suicides than they are deaths from coronavirus under the state’s stay-at-home order.
    In an interview with a local ABC affiliate, Dr. Mike deBoisblanc, chief of trauma at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, in the East Bay region of San Francisco Bay Area, said he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.”


    “We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” he said, adding that mental health suffering is so off-the-charts that he’s calling for an end to the lockdowns.
    “Personally, I think it’s time,” deBoisblanc said. “I think, originally, this (the shelter-in-place order) was put in place to flatten the curve and to make sure hospitals have the resources to take care of COVID patients. We have the current resources to do that and our other community health is suffering.”
    Kacey Hansen, a trauma nurse who’s worked at John Muir Medical Center for more than three decades, also told the local ABC affiliate that suicides are at an unprecedented level.
    National public health group Well Being Trust noted in a study this week that as many as 75,000 Americans could die from alcohol or drug misuse along with suicide as a result of the negative social and economic side effects of pandemic policies.
    “Undeniably policymakers must place a large focus on mitigating the effects of COVID. However, if the country continues to ignore the collateral damage—specifically our nation’s mental health—we will not come out of this stronger,” warned Benjamin Miller, the group’s chief strategy officer.

    Back in March, President Donald Trump warned that suicides would likely spike due to economic toll pandemic-related shutdowns would take on the country.


    “You’re going to lose a number of people to the flu, but you’re going to lose more people by putting a country into a massive recession or depression,” the president said. “You’re gonna lose people. You’re gonna have suicides by the thousands.”
    In another appearance, Trump added, “I’m talking about where people suffer massive depression, where people commit suicide, where tremendous death happens… I mean, definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus.”
    In a March 24 tweet, the president noted, famously now, that the “cure can’t be worse than the problem.”

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    Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!

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    News outlets attempted to “fact-check” the president including ABC News, who found one ‘expert’ to refute Trump’s claims by stating that deaths go down during economic recessions.
    “If you were to look across all the current causes of death in a recession, you would see that the number of deaths actually declines. Heart deaths from heart disease fall. Deaths from motor vehicle accidents crashes fall,” said Richard Dunn, associate professor of Agricultural and Resource Economics at the University of Connecticut.

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    THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM!

    When your Dead that's pretty BAD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM!

    When your Dead that's pretty BAD
    survival rate 98%

    and the MISREPORTING of Covid deaths is just starting to be reported...

    so the numbers are even better than were first being reported...

    but you can't Goggle that I'm sure


    #OpenYourEyes learn the REAL truth.. not the MSM version of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post
    survival rate 98%

    and the MISREPORTING of Covid deaths is just starting to be reported...

    so the numbers are even better than were first being reported...

    but you can't Goggle that I'm sure


    #OpenYourEyes learn the REAL truth.. not the MSM version of it.
    So 100,000. Plus Dead Americans and counting is an acceptable loss for You.
    Guess that says it's all about YOU


    Yep You believe in Fake Death Numbers.
    Really!
    I sure the 100,000 dead people's families will take comfort in Your only 2%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    So 100,000. Plus Dead Americans and counting is an acceptable loss for You.
    Guess that says it's all about YOU


    Yep You believe in Fake Death Numbers.
    Really!
    I sure the 100,000 dead people's families will take comfort in Your only 2%.
    Jumping the gun there ... but that what you libs do.
    Not even 95k yet

    Pull in the reigns .. your getting ahead of things.
    As always

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    Yep You believe in Fake Numbers.
    Its the same in the UK and Italy too, the world is waking up, well some of us are.
    When you think you have made a procedure idiot proof your company employs a better idiot.

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    Boris Johnson forced to reduce Huawei’s role in UK’s 5G networks

    The mooted retreat will delight the White House which has been relentlessly campaigning against Huawei, but is likely to provoke a hostile reaction from Beijing, which has believed the UK was open to inward investment until now
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    Quote Originally Posted by skynet View Post
    Its the same in the UK and Italy too, the world is waking up, well some of us are.

    Yep You believe in Fake Death Numbers.
    Really!
    Im sure the 100,000 dead people's families will take comfort in Your only 2%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil B. View Post

    but you can't Goggle that I'm sure
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    Google has been criticized for skewing search results in favour of the left, and multinationals. I use duckduckgo for most of my searches, you could try a search for "bill gates india" on both and look at the less controversial results google gives you.
    When you think you have made a procedure idiot proof your company employs a better idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsm2 View Post
    Yep You believe in Fake Death Numbers.
    Really!
    Im sure the 100,000 dead people's families will take comfort in Your only 2%.
    Just because some of us question things doesn't make us a load of callous individuals.
    When you think you have made a procedure idiot proof your company employs a better idiot.

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