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    COVID-19 disinformation being spread by Russia, China, say experts
    hah "experts" The msm in the UK have been blaming Russia for years and why should they need to spread disinformation when David Icke is available on bitchute.
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    hey just wait a minute!!!!
    thats an acceptable margin...
    after all these are drug companies...
    have you ever listened to the disclaimers on their tv commercials...
    how do you think they figure out how to write it...

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    so we have a suicide pandemic...

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    CA Doctors Say They Have Seen More Suicide Deaths Than COVID Deaths During Lockdown


    Two weeks to flatten the curve has turned into two months of oppressive lockdown policies which are themselves killing Americans.
    Americans, more or less, entered into an unspoken contract with government — and each other — in the middle of March in a pledge to stay home, avoid others and close up shop to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

    We’re a little more than a week away from the start of June, and some people are still being forced to stay in their homes because of a government decree, or because they feel obligated to do so by pressure from peers, or because of the fear being pushed on them by a media which has exacerbated the crisis.
    Governments told us that stay-at-home orders were necessary to stop the spread of the disease and to buy the country’s health care industry precious time to prepare for a sea of patients that, in some areas, never came.
    Americans did their part, but stalwart governments refuse to lessen or do away with draconian lockdown measures.

    And the mental health toll that these lockdowns are having on some Americans is starting to reveal itself.
    In the San Francisco Bay area, it appears suicides and suicide attempts are increasing at an alarming rate.

    In fact, the trauma department chief at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, which is located just north and east of the cities of Berkeley and Oakland, told KGO-TV this week that during the lockdown, doctors at the facility have seen seen more deaths by suicide than from the coronavirus.
    The mental health crisis is so severe that Dr. Mike deBoisblanc says it’s time to end the area’s lockdown.

    “Personally I think it’s time,” deBoisblanc told KGO-TV. “I think, originally, this [the shelter-in-place order] was put in place to flatten the curve and to make sure hospitals have the resources to take care of COVID patients. We have the current resources to do that and our other community health is suffering.”
    “We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” the doctor added. “I mean we’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.”
    A trauma nurse with 33 years of service at the facility echoed his comments.

    “What I have seen recently, I have never seen before,” Kacey Hansen said. “I have never seen so much intentional injury.”
    The answer, at least from deBoisblanc’s employer, is increased mental health awareness and resources.

    The administrators at the John Muir Medical Center added a nice disclaimer in response to the statements of their staff members that the facility remains “supportive of the Shelter-in-Place order.”
    Out of an apparent abundance of caution, the facility wants us to know that deBoisblanc and Hansen are only speaking for themselves.

    But the pair of health care workers can only speak to what they are seeing, and that is that lockdown orders — at least in the area that these professionals serve — are doing more harm than good.
    Yet Politico touted the Bay Area’s response to the crisis before March had even ended in a story titled: “Bend it like the Bay Area. Doctors see flatter curve after 2 weeks of social isolation.”
    “Six Bay Area counties were first in the country to adopt aggressive tactics with an enforceable March 16 order requiring residents to stay at home. Gov. Gavin Newsom quickly followed with a statewide order three days later restricting the state’s 40 million residents from all but essential activities,” Politico reported on March 30.
    “After 14 days — the outermost period at which symptoms are believed to emerge post-infection — doctors at area hospitals are now reporting fewer cases than they expected to see at this point, and officials credit the lockdown with stemming the tide of patients they feared would flood into emergency rooms.”

    But as we enter Memorial Day weekend, the Bay Area curve, like the curve in the rest of the country, has been bent — and yet the world remains a closed place for so many people seeking help as they suffer with mental illness.
    Officials in Contra Costa County, where the John Muir Medical Center is located, say the answer is to let struggling people know that the crisis phone lines are open, and that in-person, masked and sterile mental health visits are also an option.
    Neither of those choices seem particularly inviting, but those are the options available.
    Fox News medical expert Doctor Marc Siegel spoke about the efficacy of lockdowns Wednesday on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

    “Lockdowns don’t work if there is already a lot of virus in the area, in the community, in the state, the country,” Siegel told the program.
    “Suicide, drug abuse, alcoholism,” Siegel added, “there are going to be more deaths of despair than from the virus itself.”
    With the weeks having turned into months, and the quarantine body count escalating, it’s time to listen to other voices in the room about our best options going forward.

    In fact, 600 doctors signed a letter this week urging President Donald Trump to do what he can to end the shutdowns.
    “The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse,” the letter said.
    “Because the harm is diffuse, there are those who hold that it does not exist. We, the undersigned, know otherwise,” the doctors concluded, according to Fox News.
    Of course, the letter was not widely covered by the same national media which is pushing fear onto already overburdened Americans, and some governors exercising strict control over the movements of citizens have done little in the way of signaling there is any end in sight to the shutdowns.

    For reasons based either in fear, overzealousness or politics, the lockdowns must apparently go on. The answer for those in crisis is to pick up the phone as the world collapses around them.
    As the administrators at Walnut Creek’s John Muir Medical Center reminded us, “We are all in this together!”
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    those darned russians...

    lets see if we listen to your article... it will put us in a state of learned helplessness or listen to anecdotal evidence that gives us confidence and by virtue of the placebo effect might even enable us to overcome the virus...

    its not that you are wrong... its just well a type of pascals wager... I am just covering all the angles...

    I will go with the anecdotal evidence...

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    COVID-19 disinformation being spread by Russia, China, say experts | CBC News

    Russia and China are driving an online wave of disinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic, say experts.
    Some of the disinformation circulating online amounts to conspiracy theories about the origins of the virus — claims that it was invented in a lab or brought to China by U.S. soldiers, for example.
    Some of it involves false reports that experts say could end up harming people — the claim that handwashing doesn't help to prevent the spread of COVID-19, for example, or that the virus doesn't affect smokers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n25an View Post
    so we have a suicide pandemic...
    And WHY is this happening? Because of extended lockdowns AND weak minded people.
    If they had the true American spirit.. they would be strong proud individuals not swayed by news or the unconstitutional draconian lawmakers.
    It is sad to see the way this Great country has fallen to the PC socialist communist ruling class.

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    Maybe the Smart Americans
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    1. Identity tracking -Takeout apps may end up tracking your location
    According to the Washington Post and former US citizen Eric Snowden, the NSA has been doing this for a while, and they claim it is not illegal. Unfortunately, getting off the surveillance grid these days in the US is pretty much impossible. I can't even remember the last time I saw a pay phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikadonovan View Post
    According to the Washington Post and former US citizen Eric Snowden, the NSA has been doing this for a while, and they claim it is not illegal. Unfortunately, getting off the surveillance grid these days in the US is pretty much impossible. I can't even remember the last time I saw a pay phone.

    http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pag...right-now/634/
    Edward Snowden mentioned in this one minute video that GCHQ could do it to the British people and they shared that capability with other five eyes countries.
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    The last link about StarWars talks about how powerful internet troll farms can be about formig a negative narrative on any topic.

    The other links you posted conclude that both the US electoral process and the beliefs held by many US citizens about COVID-19 are very easily manipulated by the low cost, high yield dis-information campaigns vigorously promoted by both Russia and China.

    The pandemic is moving "from a war for survival to a war of ideas and a war of ideology."

    Both China and Russia are promoting the narrative that democracies are failing and lack the capacity or will to fight the pandemic, while claiming that they are doing a better job at searching for a cure and helping other countries with their pandemic measures.

    China's social media misinformation and disinformation efforts are more recent, he said, and are more focused on refuting suggestions that China is to blame for the pandemic.
    "They've really just started doing this work over the last year since the Hong Kong protests," he said. "They'll simply buy one hundred thousand fake accounts, set them all up at once and get them retweeting or get them to push out content."



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