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    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post
    I watched the video. Certainly this is one author's opinion of what happened. Basically he puts forth a conspiracy theory to boost Patreon and PayPal revenues.

    Certainly, the USA's huge Industrial Military complex needs an adversary to convince its politicians to continue to spend huge amounts of money purchasing products and creating high profits on very complex equipment with parts, supplies and maintenance contracts.
    The Brits and Canadians were also involved in this which started because of 9/11, Bin Laden was found in 2011, so why extend it another ten years, when the outcome would always be the same, I think this video may be less of a conspiracy than you imagine.
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    Ex-SEAL who killed bin Laden blasts Biden, calls on Gen. Milley to resign



    ​Robert O’Neill, the SEAL member who killed Osama bin Laden during a raid on the terrorist’s Pakistan lair in 2011​, called President Biden a “disaster” and ​urged Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to resign over the catastrophe caused by the US military pullout in Afghanistan.


    “So, @POTUS is a disaster,” the former SEAL said on Twitter. “This is the worst loss in American history. Our most popular president has vanished. Prove me wrong.”


    He added: “Joe Biden opposed the raid to kill bin Laden. At least he lost Afghanistan in 7 months.”


    O’Neill also ​had Milley​ in his crosshairs​.


    “There are Afghans falling to their deaths off of our retreating aircraft. Has @thejointstaff resigned yet?” he wrote.
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    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    I want to get some reactions from liberals:
    ... have you never met a politician who did not change his opinion. Who cares what was said 10-12 years ago?

    New information presents itself, situations change.

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    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Ex-SEAL who killed bin Laden blasts Biden, calls on Gen. Milley to resign



    ​Robert O’Neill, the SEAL member who killed Osama bin Laden during a raid on the terrorist’s Pakistan lair in 2011​, called President Biden a “disaster” and ​urged Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to resign over the catastrophe caused by the US military pullout in Afghanistan.


    “So, @POTUS is a disaster,” the former SEAL said on Twitter. “This is the worst loss in American history. Our most popular president has vanished. Prove me wrong.”


    He added: “Joe Biden opposed the raid to kill bin Laden. At least he lost Afghanistan in 7 months.”


    O’Neill also ​had Milley​ in his crosshairs​.


    “There are Afghans falling to their deaths off of our retreating aircraft. Has @thejointstaff resigned yet?” he wrote.

    ... I think this Seal team member's pay grade is a lot less than Gen Milley or President Biden's nor does he have access to all of the information that they have.

    There is no doubt that this is a messy exit for the USA from Afghanistan. It was always going to be. Playing the blame game does not help anyone except right wing media trying to increase revenues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post
    ... I think this Seal team member's pay grade is a lot less than Gen Milley or President Biden's nor does he have access to all of the information that they have.

    There is no doubt that this is a messy exit for the USA from Afghanistan. It was always going to be. Playing the blame game does not help anyone except right wing media trying to increase revenues.

    You got to cut it out, man. This is a disaster. You can't spin Biden out of it. This is one that will go down in the history books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    You got to cut it out, man. This is a disaster. You can't spin Biden out of it. This is one that will go down in the history books.
    A disaster is YOUR opinion. Following Trumps plan.
    History Books Yes if you read them.
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    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post
    ... have you never met a politician who did not change his opinion. Who cares what was said 10-12 years ago?

    New information presents itself, situations change.
    I know these two situations are not related and I am probably gonna butcher his name but you say who cares about 10-12 years ago.what about Brett Kavanaugh back in college. I guess it just matters if it is a democrat or a republican.

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    Lyin' Biden?





    We Told Him: Deep State Intelligence Turns on Joe Biden After Afghanistan Failure



    Intelligence agencies are pushing back Wednesday against the White House narrative that the sudden fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban caught the administration off guard.
    The New York Times reports intelligence sources who claimed by July their reports seriously questioned the Afghan military’s ability to resist the Taliban, even as Biden was telling reporters at the White House that it was unlikely that the government would fall.

    “The likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely,” he said July 8th.


    While even the intelligence agencies could not have predicted the nearly immediate collapse of the Afghanistan government, Biden failed to acknowledge growing concerns from analysts in the Summer.


    A White House official pushed back against the intelligence narrative, noting Biden and his team never got a “high confidence” level warning of a complete military collapse in Afghanistan.


    The Wall Street Journal reported sources from both the military and intelligence branches saying they warned Biden about the fragile situation in Afghanistan, in particular the Taliban’s ability to seize major cities with little or no resistance from the Afghan military.


    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley, the Journal reports, urged Biden to keep a force of about 2,500 troops in the country and continue seeking a peace agreement. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin also express concerns about a full withdrawal.


    Biden advisors Secretary of State Antony Blinken and national security adviser Jake Sullivan also reportedly had concerns about the Taliban but did not disagree with the president because they knew his commitment to completing the withdrawal.



    This is getting ugly for Joe.
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    I don't see Joe recovering from this mess. This is historic.



    Congressional Democrats Blame Joe Biden for Afghan ‘Catastrophe’


    Congressional Democrats are blaming President Joe Biden for failing to secure a safe and orderly departure from Afghanistan.


    “I am disappointed that the Biden administration clearly did not accurately assess the implications of a rapid U.S. withdrawal,” Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) told the Hill.


    Member of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Jim Langevin (D-RI), berated Biden’s withdrawl as a “catastrophe,” noting at “minimum, the Biden administration owed our Afghan allies of 20 years a real plan.”


    Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) explained the drawdown “should have been carefully planned to prevent violence and instability, and to ensure that the hard-fought progress gained over the past two decades—particularly when it comes to Afghan women and girls—would not be lost.”

    Two Senators facing tough reelection challenges, Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AR) and Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH), also threw Biden under the bus.


    Kelly called the evacuation “a failure to prepare,” while Hassan suggested the White House oversaw “a precipitous withdrawal with no real plan in place to ensure the peace and stability of Afghanistan and its people.”


    A host of other endangered House Democrats have also been quick to distance themselves from the flailing administration. Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-FL), who is facing a tough fight from Florida State Rep. Anthony Sabatini (R), called the “situation” “heartbreaking,” and that she believes the United States does not have an “easy choices here.”


    “The U.S. should have done more to prevent this worst-case scenario. Now we must do whatever we can to support our Afghan allies and protect our national security interests,” Murphy stated.

    Rep. Chris Pappas (R-NH), a vulnerable Democrat who may be challenged by Matt Mowers, issued a statement calling the Afghan situation “devastating and deeply concerning”:


    Our first priority must be the immediate evacuation of U.S. citizens, SIV applicants, and our allies who stood beside us and whose lives are now in danger. There will be time to re-examine foreign policy failures over two decades that shaped today’s events. But now we must do all we can to ensure the safe return of Americans and our partners and honor the service of all those who deployed to Afghanistan and their families.


    “We must ultimately grapple with the failures that led to the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban, but today, in this moment,” Rep. Elaine Luria (D-VA) explained, “we must keep our focus on taking every possible measure to evacuate American citizens and our Afghan partners who fought bravely beside us for two decades.”








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    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    You got to cut it out, man. This is a disaster. You can't spin Biden out of it. This is one that will go down in the history books.
    The US disaster started when President GW Bush decided to invade Afghanistan to avenge 911.

    Every President since then is guilty of mismanaging this useless war.

    President Biden will be remembered as the President who finally got America out of it's longest war. A war it could never win.

    Afghanistan has some of the world's richest lithium mines necessary for electric car batteries. If managed correctly, the USA could eventually turn its relationship around to one of a trading partner, like Vietnam.

    If not managed correctly, China and Russian are already seeking trade ties with the Taliban.

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