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    Quote Originally Posted by anothertech View Post
    Yes the Russians are probably correct, explosion in the ammo room. Now, how do you suppose that happened? Maybe by the Ukrainian missiles that hit the ship?
    I dont belive that old missale can reach to best Russian ship. He have anty misale system, anty air and anty submarine. How is happend..well sh..t happend soemtime.
    It is just propaganda. West in war with Russia and poor Ukranians are colletar waste. I wonder where this world going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drivee View Post
    I dont belive that old missale can reach to best Russian ship. He have anty misale system, anty air and anty submarine. How is happend..well sh..t happend soemtime.
    It is just propaganda. West in war with Russia and poor Ukranians are colletar waste. I wonder where this world going.
    It wasn't an "old missile." It was a current top of the line anti tank missile fired from a distance that was far too short for the obsolete Russian Soviet anti missile system to have the time needed to detect, acquire, track and intercept.

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    The Ukraine state that they use R-360 Neptune.

    According to naval expert Jonathan Bentham of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Moscow had one of the strongest defense systems.


    The cruiser was equipped with a three-stage anti-aircraft system which, if it worked, should have given it three options to defend itself from attacks by Neptune rockets.


    In addition to defending medium-range and short-range weapons, it was able to use six short-range weapons systems (CIWS) as a last resort.





    Bentham said that Moscow should have a 360-degree air defense coverage.


    "The CIWS system can fire 5,000 bullets per minute, essentially creating a wall of bullets around the cruiser, its last line of defense," Bentham said.

    Now, where is boat, where Russia sink that biggest boat???

    Elementary ignorance.
    As early as 1792, it was dug up, the so-called The old canal so that ships could reach Nikolaev and Odessa. And in 1934-39 the canal was deepened and widened to 135m. The Russians sank the longest ship they had (it was already intended for scrap iron) and captured the most modern NATO ships and submarines in these two ports. These are practically unusable ports. With three hundred million, they captured $ 8 billion. Just ingenious. Nikolaev and Odessa have catacombs as well as Mariupol, but you will not help them

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    I assume it's easy to find out if the damage in the ship was originated from the inner or outer side - ju just need to check out the hull damage. If you shoot something through a metal plate even a 5 year old kid should be able to figure out the entrance and exit side. One party was closer on the site during the recovery/towing attempt but none close-range picture/videos has been published to underline a theory (well, nothing in decent quality). At the end of the day it's not really todays top priority to figure out how this ship became a submarine lol

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    Ond the end. It is a war... everybady need to lose something.

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    Re: The War in Ukraine

    How Ukraine’s mud became a secret weapon in its defense against Russia



    • When Russia invaded Ukraine in February, its military commanders were widely seen to have discounted one very unconventional but effective weapon in Ukraine’s arsenal.
    • The timing of Russia’s invasion, which began on Feb. 24, coincided with what is known locally as the “muddy road season,” or “Rasputitsa” in Russian.
    • Mud can make Ukraine’s terrain and unpaved roads virtually un-passable.


    When Russia invaded Ukraine in February, its military commanders were widely seen to have discounted one very unconventional but effective “weapon” in Ukraine’s arsenal: its infamous muddy season.

    The timing of Russia’s invasion, which began on Feb. 24, coincided with what is known locally as the “muddy road season,” or “Rasputitsa” in Russian. It’s a phenomenon that takes place twice a year, first in spring — when the winter freeze subsides and the country’s terrain and unpaved roads become virtually unpassable as they turn to mud — and then in the fall, when there can be heavy rain.

    The mud is seen by military experts to have helped to slow Russia’s advance in parts of the country, particularly the north. Images and video circulating online have shown Russian tanks, trucks and other armored vehicles stuck and abandoned on muddy roads or fields in Ukraine.

    That’s prompted some disbelief among Russia analysts and military experts, who said Russia’s military commanders should have been better prepared for conditions on the ground, and able to avoid the quagmire caused by Ukraine’s muddy spring terrain.

    It’s a phenomenon familiar in the history books: Napoleon Bonaparte’s invasion of Russia in 1812 was famously slowed by the mud, as were Hitler’s armies, which invaded the then-Soviet Union in 1941 and encountered the same logistical problems posed by the mud and inhospitable terrain that Russian troops have faced in the last few weeks.

    Russia’s military should’ve known better what conditions their forces would face, experts said.

    “Ukrainian mud and what is known in Russian as ‘rasputitsa’ is the period after the winter where you get impassable roads ... this has been known about for hundreds of years, literally Napoleon had this problem. So yes, it is a tactical feature that is advantageous for the Ukrainians and it was particularly important in the north where it is a lot more wooded,” Maximilian Hess, fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, told CNBC.

    It was initially believed that Russia would achieve a quick victory in Ukraine. But the country faced strong resistance from Ukrainian forces, which Western allies have helped to equip with weaponry.

    Despite the military exercises ahead of the invasion, military analysts have said the first phase of the war — which has seen Russia gain ground in the south and east of the country but fail to make strides in the north, with its forces now pulled back and concentrating on eastern Ukraine — showed a lack of planning, preparedness and tactical skill among its military command and soldiers, many of whom are conscripts.

    Hess said just Russia’s inability to deal with Ukraine’s muddy season “shows real issues with the professionalism of the military.”

    “It raises real questions for me ... the Russians have been doing these [military] drills and practicing this foreign invasion for almost a decade now and they still didn’t think, or didn’t have enough coordination, to put the right units in the right places, and to move in the right way to best deal with something [the mud] that has literally been known to be a problem for 300 years.”

    U.S. intelligence suggested that Russia had wished to invade Ukraine earlier in the year but had postponed its offensive at the behest of China so it would not overshadow the Beijing Winter Olympics that ended on Feb. 20.

    Prior to the invasion, Russia had amassed over 100,000 troops along its border with Ukraine and had carried out military drills with its ally Belarus, which lies to the north of Ukraine. But Moscow had insisted repeatedly that it had no plans to invade.

    Sam Cranny-Evans, a research analyst at the U.K. defense think tank RUSI, told CNBC that most of Russia’s military vehicles would have been able to cope with the mud in Ukraine, but problems had arisen from multiple vehicles using the same tracks, a foreseeable problem for any military commander with a basic understanding of “terramechanics” — or “the interaction of soil with off road vehicles.”

    “A lot of their vehicles would be fine moving through mud, providing that they didn’t repeatedly drive through the same track,” he said.

    “But I would argue that other things have limited their maneuver more in terms of their reliance on railheads and roads for their logistics,” he said, adding that the size of Ukraine also posed an extra challenge to Russia’s war machine, particularly for units farther away from Russia, such as those in northern Ukraine.

    Many of these units have since beaten a tactical retreat to focus on eastern and southern regions, where the second phase of the war is currently playing out in the Donbas and along the Black Sea.

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    Re: The War in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Drivee View Post
    The Ukraine state that they use R-360 Neptune.

    According to naval expert Jonathan Bentham of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Moscow had one of the strongest defense systems.


    The cruiser was equipped with a three-stage anti-aircraft system which, if it worked, should have given it three options to defend itself from attacks by Neptune rockets.


    In addition to defending medium-range and short-range weapons, it was able to use six short-range weapons systems (CIWS) as a last resort.





    Bentham said that Moscow should have a 360-degree air defense coverage.


    "The CIWS system can fire 5,000 bullets per minute, essentially creating a wall of bullets around the cruiser, its last line of defense," Bentham said.

    Now, where is boat, where Russia sink that biggest boat???

    Elementary ignorance.
    As early as 1792, it was dug up, the so-called The old canal so that ships could reach Nikolaev and Odessa. And in 1934-39 the canal was deepened and widened to 135m. The Russians sank the longest ship they had (it was already intended for scrap iron) and captured the most modern NATO ships and submarines in these two ports. These are practically unusable ports. With three hundred million, they captured $ 8 billion. Just ingenious. Nikolaev and Odessa have catacombs as well as Mariupol, but you will not help them

    ... the Moskva is an old ship built in the 1970's. It is thought that it's air defense systems never detected the low level sea, skimming missiles before impact. That particular night the sea state was choppy waves making radar detection of the missiles even more difficult from the background waves.

    The Moskva, the Russian Navy's Black Sea capitol ship, should have never been so close to the shoreline without at least one radar picket ship between it and the shoreline to provide advance warning of incoming missiles.

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    Re: The War in Ukraine

    T-72s To The Rescue? Ukraine’s 5th Tank Brigade Could Roll Into Battle Any Day Now.

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    I,ve heard it said that wars are young men forced to fight for old men.

    If there was a proper boxing match between Putin and Zylenskyy it would be the biggest sport event ever.

    Putin could ride in on horseback wearing his karate suit.

    Bring it !

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