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    A wind turbine, is it a form of green energy? Let's think about what is involved in the manufacture and maintenance of a wind turbine
    1) A 2- megawatt wind turbine is made up of approximately 260 tons of steel and aluminum that required 300 tons of iron ore and 170 tons of coking coal, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons.

    2) Wind turbines hold up to but not limited to700 gallons of oil and hydraulic fluid that will need to be changed on a regular basis

    You see all these things exist because of and operate on fossil fuels. Most gullible uneducated people might fall for the idea that we can basically run off of sunshine and breezes alone, but with a few trillion dollars worth of mega- batteries providing back up for a FEW minutes, the windmill could spin until it falls apart over and over again, AND WILL NEVER GENERATE AS MUCH ENERGY AS WAS INVESTED IN BUILDING IT.

    do wind turbines contain hydraulic fluid - Google Search
    How much cost is involved in building a wind turbine - Google Search
    ... the direction is set and the world is all in on wind power. Green offshore wind power along the US coastline employees 1,000s of highly paid tradespeople.

    On May 8th of this year, California did actually operate for a time on 100% free, renewable energy, selling the excess energy to other nearby states.

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    Gas prices hit two-month low in US

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    Re: $5.00 per gallon gas

    Quote Originally Posted by copiertec View Post
    A wind turbine, is it a form of green energy? Let's think about what is involved in the manufacture and maintenance of a wind turbine
    1) A 2- megawatt wind turbine is made up of approximately 260 tons of steel and aluminum that required 300 tons of iron ore and 170 tons of coking coal, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons.

    2) Wind turbines hold up to but not limited to700 gallons of oil and hydraulic fluid that will need to be changed on a regular basis

    You see all these things exist because of and operate on fossil fuels. Most gullible uneducated people might fall for the idea that we can basically run off of sunshine and breezes alone, but with a few trillion dollars worth of mega- batteries providing back up for a FEW minutes, the windmill could spin until it falls apart over and over again, AND WILL NEVER GENERATE AS MUCH ENERGY AS WAS INVESTED IN BUILDING IT.

    do wind turbines contain hydraulic fluid - Google Search
    How much cost is involved in building a wind turbine - Google Search
    And not only that, but there is not enough square inches of area on this planet to generate today's usage demands by solar panels, never mind future expansion. How about just engineering chimney scrubbers that clean the exhaust to breathable air and let it go at that?
    Last edited by Technocripple; 07-25-2022 at 05:30 PM. Reason: Forgot to put in the solar panels

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    And not only that, but there is not enough square inches of area on this planet to generate today's usage demands by solar panels, never mind future expansion. How about just engineering chimney scrubbers that clean the exhaust to breathable air and let it go at that?

    ... do you have a better plan to create clean renewable energy that can be deployed this year? Scrubbers that can be deployed on industrial smoke stacks have been around for decades.

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    I think this whole ecological transition thing is just a big deal for multinational corporations that need to recoup their investments in these technologies which, as others have observed, are just smoke in the eyes.
    politicians around the world want to be remembered in history for those who will save the planet.
    but how can you believe that in 15 years things can have changed.
    this is an absolutely necessary process but it will take at least 50 years and the technologies that will allow it have yet to be created, or perhaps they already exist but not yet available to the world.
    I have no illusions, I observe the facts and they do not convince me.
    just to go back to the topic, the price of gasoline in Italy today is 1.91 euros per liter (7,26$ per gallon), and it is a price favored by the government which contributes about 30/50 cents per liter (who will pay them?)
    not to mention gas and electricity ..

    have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SalesServiceGuy View Post
    ... do you have a better plan to create clean renewable energy that can be deployed this year? Scrubbers that can be deployed on industrial smoke stacks have been around for decades.
    I really don't think there is a better plan. It seems to me that cleaning up the exhaust is a truly great way to go. All other proposals are falsely advertised as immediate and clean options, but all we have to do is look at the covid vaccine sales pitch to know that the whole truth is seldom made known.

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    Re: $5.00 per gallon gas

    Average US gasoline price falls 32 cents in two weeks

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    Re: $5.00 per gallon gas

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocripple View Post
    And not only that, but there is not enough square inches of area on this planet to generate today's usage demands by solar panels, never mind future expansion. How about just engineering chimney scrubbers that clean the exhaust to breathable air and let it go at that?
    Two good example are the Monolith cement plant east of Tehachapi, CA and Cal Portland cement plant southwest of Mojave, CA. At one time they were the nations #1 and #2 particulate polluters. Decades ago they installed scrubbers on their crusher stacks and were able to remove over 99.9% of their PM 2.5 emissions.

    For those who don't know, cement, as mentioned here, is the very fine powder used as a binder in concrete. It is made by pulverizing a certain type of shale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimslob View Post
    Two good example are the Monolith cement plant east of Tehachapi, CA and Cal Portland cement plant southwest of Mojave, CA. At one time they were the nations #1 and #2 particulate polluters. Decades ago they installed scrubbers on their crusher stacks and were able to remove over 99.9% of their PM 2.5 emissions.

    For those who don't know, cement, as mentioned here, is the very fine powder used as a binder in concrete. It is made by pulverizing a certain type of shale.
    Off topic:
    Thanks reminding me. We still hand make concrete here using cement, sand, balastrra and water.
    We did one room floor last summer with my father... still holding on strong
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