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    Should the Dept. of Education be eliminated?

    It's pretty clear that public schools have failed kids for a long time and that a radical leftwing agenda is being taught. Moreover, even Biden himself admitted that black and brown people aren't graduating high school.


    “We’ve seen record lows in unemployment particularly — and I’ve focused on this my whole career — particularly for African Americans and Hispanic workers and veterans, you know, the workers without high school diplomas,” he said in televised remarks.
    I ran across an interesting article this morning on Politico in which they talked about democrats losing to republicans on this issue. It's a good read. Check it out.



    ‘We’ve lost our advantage on education’: Democrats grasp for wins on public school

    GOP wins and a crisis in schooling has convinced some Democrats that the Biden administration needs to promote a liberal version of public school choice.



    MINNEAPOLIS — President Joe Biden’s education chief believes public schools are facing a “make or break moment.” The rescue plan coming from some Democrats, however, rings of policies that have already landed wins for conservatives.
    Political skirmishes over classrooms have left Democrats underwater, or dead even, with Republicans among voters in a clutch of battleground states. And as they worried their party has not honed a strategy to reverse declining test scores, enrollment and trust in public schools, liberals watched Republican governors sign historic private school choice laws this year.



    The GOP wins and a generational crisis in schooling has convinced some Democrats that the Biden administration needs to promote a liberal version of public school choice in the 2024 campaign, or risk losing votes.









    “We’ve lost our advantage on education because I think that we’ve failed to fully acknowledge that choice resonates deeply with families and with voters,” said Jorge Elorza, the CEO of Democrats for Education Reform and its affiliate Education Reform Now think tank.
    The political flak from both the left and right has put pressure on Education Secretary Miguel Cardona, who is campaigning for public schools and — as someone who hopes to stick around if Biden wins a second term — himself.
    “If you erase the Department of Education or you fund private schools, what are you doing for the students that are in the local neighborhood school? I have yet to see a plan,” Cardona told POLITICO of conservative proposals while touring schools across the Midwest and Great Plains. “We have a plan.”
    Yet despite the mileage the secretary is putting into classroom visits and urging party faithful to “get back on offense,” Cardona’s facing allies who are clamoring for a more sweeping reinvention of public education and a more forceful response to schoolhouse culture wars.


    “Secretary Cardona is a wonderful, loving, sweet man. He’s an educator,” said Keri Rodrigues, the president of the National Parents Union and a member of the Massachusetts State Democratic Committee. “But what we are going through right now is a brutal political moment, and what our kids and American families need is someone with a very specific vision for how we reimagine our American public school system.”
    Public schools are confronting significant post-Covid enrollment shifts to private and home schools. Policies that grant students access to school options beyond their traditional neighborhood campus are popular. That has left Cardona to protect the schoolhouse castle, navigate longstanding disagreements between labor unions and liberal education reform groups, and advance a distinctive Democratic vision of education that appeals to families and voters.


    “We shouldn’t be promoting private schools because our neighborhood schools are not making the grade,” Cardona said as he rolled from an exurban Minnesota technical college toward a city dual-language elementary school. “We should make sure we’re working to support our neighborhood schools to make the grade.”
    Here’s the thing. Private choice is taking off — and fast.
    Republican governors in Arkansas, Iowa, Ohio, Florida and elsewhere are now presiding over major expansions of programs that give families public subsidies to pay for private school tuition and other education expenses. Oklahoma officials are also leading a campaign to open explicitly religious public schools, which some church leaders and conservative advocates see as a monumental leap for school choice and religious liberty.
    Public school enrollment meanwhile dropped by 3 percent in the first year of the coronavirus pandemic, a plunge of some 1.4 million students. There are also signs liberals have failed to regain the broad trust on education they once held with voters.
    “Neither the administration, nor the left, has offered an alternative to the private school choice options that Republicans are offering,” said Elorza, a former mayor of Providence, R.I., who supported then-Gov. Gina Raimondo’s bid to have the state take over his city’s troubled school system and made headlines when he declared his family would not send their young son to the city’s public schools.

    Democrats are either trailing or essentially tied with Republicans among voters in four battleground states when it comes to which party is trusted to ensure public schools prepare students for life after graduation, according to polling Elorza’s group commissioned during mid-July in North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia and Nevada. Roughly half of voters and parents in those states said their schools were about the same or worse since before the pandemic.
    “What’s going to happen if we don’t as a party embrace choice is that, as polling shows us, we’re going to lose voters to Republicans on this issue,” Elorza said. “We’re going to lose elections because of this issue. And policywise, we’re going to end up with their version of choice — which is private school choice.”
    Elorza points to battleground voters’ support for public charter schools, career academies and magnet schools — and their preference for public options over private schools and voucher programs. He said Democrats should also embrace open enrollment policies that allow students to easily transfer within or between school districts.
    The head of the country’s second-largest teachers union does not disagree with the general idea.
    After all, American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten said in an interview, an idea like building a massive regional career tech education center would require new inter-district student transfer policies.


    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/17/education-democrats-school-choice-cardona-biden-00116385
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    It should also be noted that democrats have blocked school choice at every turn. Only now that they're losing are they interested in changing. They don't care about your kids, only maintaining power.
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    Republican politicians absolutely love poorly education people. Even trumpy said it out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    Republican politicians absolutely love poorly education people. Even trumpy said it out loud.
    According to Biden, that would Hispanics and Blacks. I agree that Trump did more for both than Obama or Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    According to Biden, that would Hispanics and Blacks. I agree that Trump did more for both than Obama or Biden.

    Poor education does not follow race lines, Mr Woke.

    "Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades."

    Republican politicians want to scrap public education because people with less educated tend to vote along conservative lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    Poor education does not follow race lines, Mr Woke.
    Why are you saying this to me? It was Biden that said it? I forget, you don't like to criticize Uncle Joe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Why are you saying this to me? It was Biden that said it? I forget, you don't like to criticize Uncle Joe.

    Hmmmm. You know I have criticised Biden many times. Does that make you a liar?

    "Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades."

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    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    Hmmmm. You know I have criticised Biden many times. Does that make you a liar?

    "Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades."
    Try to stay on topic. Why did you addresss that to me when it was Biden that said Blacks and Hispanics are poorly educated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCarpenter View Post
    Try to stay on topic. Why did you addresss that to me when it was Biden that said Blacks and Hispanics are poorly educated?
    Haha.
    Your history shows that anytime you can bring race into a thread, you will. And not in a well meaning way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copier addict View Post
    Haha.
    Your history shows that anytime you can bring race into a thread, you will. And not in a well meaning way.
    So, you won't even acknowledge that Uncle Joe said that Blacks and Hispanics are poorly educated? Not surprising.
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