[WTF] France attacks

[Don N.]

Just want to know how in the hxxx people feel safe these days not carrying. If you've been sitting on the fence, and feel any responsibility for the safety of yourself or your loved ones, are willing to be responsible for the care, custody & control of a weapon, engage in training, are not an immature or violent person, but love people and freedom, then you might be the sheepdog that just happens to be there when the wolves show up. What will you do, pee your pants or resort to your training?
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Praying for the victims and law enforcement.

[banginbishop]

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Don't really think it's wise to express your feelings straight after an event of this magnitude as emotions can often cloud sound judgment.

[Don N.]

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Nothing new in my post. Been serving on a security team for years and just wish more good people were responsibly armed. You don't hear much beyond a short local news report when a violent felon is deterrred from destroying an innocent person. When they get away with horriffic acts, its the gun that is the problem. I'm calling on good citizens to stop placing 100% of the burden on law enforcement -unless you want to live under martial law. A good shepherd protects his flock. A good neighbor watches out for his neighbors. Gun free zones are killing fields. God bless & stay safe.

[Copier Addict]

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Nothing new in my post. Been serving on a security team for years and just wish more good people were responsibly armed. You don't hear much beyond a short local news report when a violent felon is deterrred from destroying an innocent person. When they get away with horriffic acts, its the gun that is the problem. I'm calling on good citizens to stop placing 100% of the burden on law enforcement -unless you want to live under martial law. A good shepherd protects his flock. A good neighbor watches out for his neighbors. Gun free zones are killing fields. God bless & stay safe.

Not sure how a gun is going to protect anyone from a bomb.

[Don N.]

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Not sure how a gun is going to protect anyone from a bomb.

Here's one way:
Military Video Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard - Military.com

A gun is not the total solution, but most of today's crime and murders are not done with bombs.

[NeoMatrix]

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No media news here in Oz about bombing attacks in France.

Just turned the TV on this morning something coming through on the news right now.

[banginbishop]

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So far 128 have been murdered in one night and it's expected to rise - it's not good. Before any comments or knee jerk reactions are passed by the media or political establishment the facts surrounding these barbaric acts need to be found quickly before propaganda takes over.

[NeoMatrix]

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So far 128 have been murdered in one night and it's expected to rise - it's not good. Before any comments or knee jerk reactions are passed by the media or political establishment the facts surrounding these barbaric acts need to be found quickly before propaganda takes over.

These organisations strive for MAXIMUM media impact shock an awe using the age old "hatred" to cause separation/division in society.
One (head-in-the-sand) solution is to out-law media from showing these vile acts in main stream media.
If you stop showing vile hatred on TV, the terrorist's maximum-impact factor and along with social propagate, bordering on "copy-cat-syndrome" will never find its place in society.

"HATRED" separates first!, then destroys! --"IT DOES NOTHING ELSE."

You need two sides/divisions to have a war. "Hatred is the first step in the separation process for the division of war". There is no such thing as a one sided war. There must be two players on the battle field.

If we assist with the spread an propagation of Hatred and division then we will most certainly have a war, however big or small the battle field may be.

[Copier Addict]

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Here's one way:
Military Video Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard - Military.com

A gun is not the total solution, but most of today's crime and murders are not done with bombs.

And the US has the laxest gun laws with the most gun crime in the world. Coincedence?

[subaro]

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These organisations strive for MAXIMUM media impact shock an awe using the age old "hatred" to cause separation/division in society.
One (head-in-the-sand) solution is to out-law media from showing these vile acts in main stream media.
If you stop showing vile hatred on TV, the terrorist's maximum-impact factor and along with social propagate, bordering on "copy-cat-syndrome" will never find its place in society.

"HATRED" separates first!, then destroys! --"IT DOES NOTHING ELSE."

You need two sides/divisions to have a war. "Hatred is the first step in the separation process for the division of war". There is no such thing as a one sided war. There must be two players on the battle field.

If we assist with the spread an propagation of Hatred and division then we will most certainly have a war, however big or small the battle field may be.

Though i like the statement above, there maybe a bit of drawback to banning or outlawing the media showing these acts. First, most people are driven by visual conclusions and if withheld, conspiracy theories will be the norm and speculations about this and that will start and lot of false information. While it is true that we usually don't get the full facts as to the lawmen doing their job and giving away information, might help perpetrators in their escape ect.
Looking at cnn and seeing the pregnant woman who was holding on to the ledge of a window and begging for help and a brave man pulled her to safety and essentially saved her life are the model of manhood that must be admired. That really broke my heart and out of all this tragedy, this bravely act stood out for me. There were others pulling the wounded and others to saefty and they are to be highly commended to, risking their own lives to save others. If i did not see this, then i would not really have known some of the facts at least.
I agree though, that the actuall acts of the crimes committed should not be shown, but the freedom of press is what is supposed to be the pinnacle of a free society. when it is removed, the ruling powers are empowered more.

[Don N.]

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And the US has the laxest gun laws with the most gun crime in the world. Coincedence?

There are so many statistics that are skewed and spewed by liberal media. Here's one they put out themselves... Over 90% of all major media agency employees in a self survey reported they vote democrat.
No wonder you repeat what you just did on US "gun" crime. Do your own research. If you dig, you will find well sourced, in depth, verifiable facts that the US is right in the middle for "gun" crime per capita.
Facts have to be taken into consideration that the drive-by/2-second quote/sensational-highlights-only-media won't repeat. The most honest argument is what the numbers were before vs after major gun legislation in a given country. You can extrapolate that to a country with similar culture, demographics, etc. if you want, but with *few exceptions* there has not been an instance in a civilized population where "violent crime/murder" has decreased after gun restrictions.
* few exceptions*: instances of extreme decrease in police force resulted in higher violent crime in years following.
Bottom line:
1) When bad people do bad things with guns or any other weapon, it takes good people with guns to stop them.
2) When seconds count, police are usually minutes away.
3) I do not propose to interfere with your God given right to defend your life. Don't propose to interfere with mine.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

[Tricky]

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3) I do not propose to interfere with your God given right to defend your life. Don't propose to interfere with mine.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

With all due respect you started this thread in a way that could upset or irritate us non Americans. After a bit of research it would appear the US is quite high as far as gun relegated crimes go. If gun crimes are worse or better after legislation requires more research than I can be bothered to do, However,

But starting in 2005 — and following years of anti-gun sweeps by police forces in British cities that made illegal guns far less accessible — gun violence began to ebb. In 2011, England and Wales recorded 7,024 offenses involving firearms, down 37 percent from their peak in 2005. Given that British crime statistics also count fake guns as “firearms,” criminologists say the number of violent crimes involving real guns is likely significantly lower.

[Don N.]

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With all due respect you started this thread in a way that could upset or irritate us non Americans. After a bit of research it would appear the US is quite high as far as gun relegated crimes go. If gun crimes are worse or better after legislation requires more research than I can be bothered to do, However,

If you read the opening thread from the perspective of a law abiding, responsibly armed citizen who does not get his right to bear arms from the government, but from God, there is no reason to be upset at anyone other than a politician that would act to take that right away, or a violent criminal.
As for those pesky statistics, you miss the point that of course gun violence goes down with less guns, but violent crime does not, when looking at the same city or country.
Even if it were relatively the same, the point continues to be: guns are not the problem, evil people are. You must accept the fact that after all the excuses of a bad childhood, political oppression, twisted religious extremism, evil exists in people who choose to take a life to better their own. Evil only responds to force. The old, infirm, young, weak, less physically able are at a disadvantage, and I think it is inhumane to vote away someone else's ability to defend themselves with other than a hammer or a dog.