I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE PUSSY

[Copier Addict]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

Cat Ordinance Update:

Well we didn't win. I went door to door today to hand out flyers but got sore legs after a while


Went to the town meeting tonight to try to get some provisions changed or to at least have the matter tabled until they could collect more information. Mr. Jim Scott (go Jim) made a motion to table but no one would second it.


I actually got into a little heated debate with one of the commissioners, Joann F. Zimmerman. It became clear that she had a big hand in the cat ordinance because she was sick of cats digging up her flowers. So it appears she was using her powers for personal gain. Sexually mutilate a cat, save a flower as the new adage goes.


The only thing left to do is keep feeding the hungry critters (their ordinance be damned) and run for commissioner myself in 2017.


Or better yet maybe I should run for state senate so I can start to strip away local government powers altogether. Too much abuse and corruption at the local government anyway.


KING FOR COMMISSIONER 2017!

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All stray cats SHOULD be spayed or neutered to keep the population down. It is more humane. Human owned cats should be kept inside. They live longer and have far less chance of getting fleas or any diseases.
Just my opinion.

[SwisSeV]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

I admire your drive, very impressive!
I still disagree with everything you say 100%.

[mrwho]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

I didn't read the whole thread, but did anyone chime in with cat recipes?

*runs away laughing wildly!*

[NeoMatrix]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

Cat Ordinance Update:

Well we didn't win. I went door to door today to hand out flyers but got sore legs after a while

{Randomd snip }

KING FOR COMMISSIONER 2017!

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I like your conviction. I like the fact that you stand up for what you believe.
Hey! who knows... commissioner today, Hilary Clintons job tomorrow... Surely you can't do any worse...

Yes sadly we get all the USA election & nomination TV news here in Oz...

[subaro]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

Those animals just can't win. see below

A Chileanman jumped naked into a lion’s den in anattempted suicide but managed to survive.
Sadly the lions, who mauled him as he wanted them to, were killed inorder to save him.

[slimslob]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

If your community wants to try to control their feral cat populations, fining their citizens is not the way to do so. TNR, Trap Neuter Release, programs are a good way to slow and eventually halt population growth if done properly. Low cost clinics and TNR certificate programs are the best methods. With TNR programs, you use live traps to capture the cats, take them to a participating veterinary office to be neutered and then release them back to the area where trapped. Many also include testing for FIV and FeLV, those that are infected are put down. The service also includes vaccinated for rabies. Cost are either paid by the government or by local/regional/national animal protection groups. Traps are either provided by the program or can be purchased/rented for a reasonable amount.

Clipping the ear is an easy of identifying those cats that have already been neutered in case they get trapped again. My vet prefers making a small notch in the tip of the ear but a lot of vets clip a lot more off than is actually necessary.

[Lagonda]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

If your community wants to try to control their feral cat populations, fining their citizens is not the way to do so. TNR, Trap Neuter Release, programs are a good way to slow and eventually halt population growth if done properly. Low cost clinics and TNR certificate programs are the best methods. With TNR programs, you use live traps to capture the cats, take them to a participating veterinary office to be neutered and then release them back to the area where trapped. Many also include testing for FIV and FeLV, those that are infected are put down. The service also includes vaccinated for rabies. Cost are either paid by the government or by local/regional/national animal protection groups. Traps are either provided by the program or can be purchased/rented for a reasonable amount.

Clipping the ear is an easy of identifying those cats that have already been neutered in case they get trapped again. My vet prefers making a small notch in the tip of the ear but a lot of vets clip a lot more off than is actually necessary.

Hey Slimslob, I presume you avatar is a feral that is desperate not to get the chop!!
As much as I like moggies I also like the wild birds in my garden so I'm in the neuter and keep confined camp.
And if the cats from next door hold an orgy on my carport roof out side my bedroom window at 2 am again I'll be in the "wheres my shotgun"camp!!!!

[fixthecopier]

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Breakaway collars with bells on them help warn the birds. Everyone blames cats for small bird and animal deaths but dogs can be just as bad. Now if some mad scientist starts breeding cats that can fly, we will have an issue. I of course would have to own a couple, just to watch them taunt the neighborhood dogs.

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

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The research that I did for the meeting showed that TNR (trap neuter release) programs aren't effective:

1. You need about an 85% neuter rate of the whole population (think about it one cat can have dozens of kittens per year, the compounding effect is great), to achieve such a rate is impossible and expensive;

2. The National Center for Biotechnology Information concluded that TNR did reduce cat populations by 66%, however the TNR programs in that study had an adoption program provision and the adoption program was responsible for 47% of the reduction. Something like 11% died off and 6% just vanished. So the TNR part by itself was not effective.

3. TNR may violate federal conservation laws. I didn't research this much but there is a court case out in California where they are challenging TNR. Apparently, by capturing and providing medical care for the cat, you are assuming ownership. By releasing a cat into the wild that you now have ownership of violates the law (it's viewed as abandonment). They don't want the other wildlife to be harmed. Could prove interesting.

[TheBlueOrleans]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

3. TNR may violate federal conservation laws. I didn't research this much but there is a court case out in California where they are challenging TNR. Apparently, by capturing and providing medical care for the cat, you are assuming ownership. By releasing a cat into the wild that you now have ownership of violates the law (it's viewed as abandonment). They don't want the other wildlife to be harmed.

That really does sound like some good old California logic.
Not to disparage anyone who lives in or hails from the Democratic Peoples' Republic of California, but...

That sort of thinking could continue into saying that distributing rabies vaccine (in flavored block form) in wooded areas where wild raccoons are known to be is the same as providing medical care to said wild raccoons, thus assuming ownership of same, and without providing adequate food or shelter for the now-owned wild raccoons is cruelty to animals and punishable by fine or imprisonment, or both.



Break action air rifle, some rock salt, a calloused thumb (for pressing the rock salt to fit the barrel), and decent eyesight should be enough to suffice.
Non-lethal, painful as a dry shit, and one hell of a deterrent. For the bird-killing wild dogs, or rats, or terrifying large insects, or trespassing individuals attempting to stop you from feeding animals on your own damned property...



But I'm not a levelheaded, logical, forward-thinking person.
So be advised, unless it's technical advice that can be verified by other levelheaded, logical, forward-thinking people, don't listen to the ravings of this pissed off Veteran.

[slimslob]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

TNR may violate federal conservation laws. I didn't research this much but there is a court case out in California where they are challenging TNR. Apparently, by capturing and providing medical care for the cat, you are assuming ownership. By releasing a cat into the wild that you now have ownership of violates the law (it's viewed as abandonment). They don't want the other wildlife to be harmed. Could prove interesting.

Many communities have local laws that consider cats as free roaming creatures, i.e. the old saying "You do not own a cat, the cat owns you." In those communities, you are not responsible for feral cats that you provide food, water or medical care for. As for the TNR programs that have been ran here, since it is not the individual who is paying for the neuter service, they are not considered as having taken ownership. The veterinary hospitals that provide the service will only accept cats that are in traps and act like feral cats. If the cat is in a carrier or appears to be friendly and used to human touch, they are not considered feral and are not eligible for free neutering.

Prior to ten years ago, my back yard/garage seemed to be the neighborhood maternity ward. At one point there were two litters of kittens and an opossum with a litter present at the same time. We would make friends with the kittens at four to six weeks old and bring them inside by 12 weeks. some of them we gave away and some we kept. Those we kept we had neutered. In the summer of 2006, the local SPCA had a TNR program going. You could get 3 vouchers per address. Between our address and our daughter's address we were able to get three feral females and two males in my neighborhood and the female that had a litter in her backyard done. No litters of kittens in the backyard since then.

[SwisSeV]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

Breakaway collars with bells on them help warn the birds. Everyone blames cats for small bird and animal deaths but dogs can be just as bad. Now if some mad scientist starts breeding cats that can fly, we will have an issue. I of course would have to own a couple, just to watch them taunt the neighborhood dogs.

Maybe it's different where you live. Out here the birds that need protecting are ground nesting and it doesn't matter if a cat is wearing a bell or not. A cat colony of only 50-100 animals kill 50,000 endangered birds a year in parts around here. I agree that neutering and releasing doesn't work, that's why they need to be culled.

Just imagine if the Alcoa eagle chicks got munched by a feral cat on camera. I think less people would be fans of the feral cats.

Something not related at all; Someone from Australia told me that they call hippies Ferals down there. Now I look at hippies as ferals with no home but just going where ever the free food is XD

[fixthecopier]

Re: I may become a criminal...and get politically active...or go to jail...SAVE THE P

OK, I will admit that some cats have a real problem with birds...