Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

WRONGThe National Park Service provides security at national monuments
Not the US Military with there names removed and unit patches removed.

Any branch can be called to assist.. being an ex military (?) You should know that .. with certain restrictions of course.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Trump's use of unidentified security forces echoes Putin's 'little green men'
In Washington, DC, alone, there has been a dizzying array of security personnel deployed in the last few days. From members of the military to DC police to the US Bureau of Prisons, the streets have become an alphabet soup of acronyms when it comes to law enforcement and security personnel, all designated -- by various levels of government -- to seemingly promote safety. But, as Americans countrywide exercise their constitutional right to protest peacefully, unnecessary assaults on democratic freedoms and civil liberties have proliferated.



Amid the tear gas and rubber bullets, a dangerous Trump trend has arisen. While DC police are required by law to wear badges, unidentified federal law enforcement officials have been caught on camera with no badges, no identifying information, and with large firearms. Some refused to identify themselves or reportedly gave ambiguous answers after being called out publicly for their unattributable presence. (Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Michael Carvajal has said that while Bureau of Prisons staffers don't typically need to identify themselves because they operate "within the confines of our institution" he probably should have had those in DC wearing some identification.)

If this happened anywhere but here, the US would be issuing strongly worded White House and State Department statements and reviewing other policy options to deter and punish this behavior going forward.

Unmarked officers and "secret police" have been used in authoritarian crackdowns throughout history. We used to refer to Russian President Vladimir Putin's unidentified proxies during his annexation of Crimea as "little green men" for wearing unmarked green uniforms. Unattributable shows of force just shouldn't happen in American democracy. They're dangerous on many levels both in the near and longer term.


Donald Trump's most self-defeating move



From a safety perspective, the videos and images of unidentified federal law enforcement personnel standing -- heavily armed -- in the nation's capital could have led to immediate security problems. It was -- and is -- counterproductive to have unidentified law enforcement personnel standing in the streets. Without accreditation or badges of any kind, it is hard for anyone to know whether they have authority to conduct law enforcement missions. How would protesters or anyone these personnel may seek to question, search, or even arrest be aware they have the power to take such action?

The failure to clearly and credibly identify all federal law enforcement personnel also creates a heightened security risk. With armed Americans showing up at protests, the lack of identification makes it far too easy for vigilantes either to blend in with the law enforcement officers or spuriously claim authority they don't have. It's confusing and potentially dangerous for Americans exercising their constitutional rights and for other military and law enforcement officers trying to distinguish private citizens from security personnel. A heavily armed officer in tactical gear, with no clearly identifying insignia, is nearly indistinguishable from a militia member trying to terrorize peaceful protestors.


'We the People' trumps 'commander-in-chief'



Plus, while Attorney General William Barr defended the fact that some federal personnel may not have identified themselves, the failure to identify federal law enforcement personnel endangers accountability if there need to be investigations into their actions. It is much easier to act with impunity if there's no fear of attribution. A law enforcement officer's shield or badge connotes authority, but also helps to ensure responsible behavior.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

When President Trump ordered a recent "surge" of unmarked security forces to patrol the streets of Washington, DC trainned personnel came from all across the USA.

At least five were federal gov't prison security guards who volunteered for the task due to the extra high pay.

Unfortunately, all five security guards were later tested for Coronavirus and all were found positive. How many people they infected and how to perform contact tracing on them is basically impossible.

Riot forces at White House include tactical teams wearing insignia from Texas federal prisons

.... and so the CoronaVirus spreads across the USA with new infections increasing in many states.

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Trump's use of unidentified security forces echoes Putin's 'little green men'
In Washington, DC, alone, there has been a dizzying array of security personnel deployed in the last few days. From members of the military to DC police to the US Bureau of Prisons, the streets have become an alphabet soup of acronyms when it comes to law enforcement and security personnel, all designated -- by various levels of government -- to seemingly promote safety. But, as Americans countrywide exercise their constitutional right to protest peacefully, unnecessary assaults on democratic freedoms and civil liberties have proliferated.



Amid the tear gas and rubber bullets, a dangerous Trump trend has arisen. While DC police are required by law to wear badges, unidentified federal law enforcement officials have been caught on camera with no badges, no identifying information, and with large firearms. Some refused to identify themselves or reportedly gave ambiguous answers after being called out publicly for their unattributable presence. (Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Michael Carvajal has said that while Bureau of Prisons staffers don't typically need to identify themselves because they operate "within the confines of our institution" he probably should have had those in DC wearing some identification.)

If this happened anywhere but here, the US would be issuing strongly worded White House and State Department statements and reviewing other policy options to deter and punish this behavior going forward.

Unmarked officers and "secret police" have been used in authoritarian crackdowns throughout history. We used to refer to Russian President Vladimir Putin's unidentified proxies during his annexation of Crimea as "little green men" for wearing unmarked green uniforms. Unattributable shows of force just shouldn't happen in American democracy. They're dangerous on many levels both in the near and longer term.


Donald Trump's most self-defeating move



From a safety perspective, the videos and images of unidentified federal law enforcement personnel standing -- heavily armed -- in the nation's capital could have led to immediate security problems. It was -- and is -- counterproductive to have unidentified law enforcement personnel standing in the streets. Without accreditation or badges of any kind, it is hard for anyone to know whether they have authority to conduct law enforcement missions. How would protesters or anyone these personnel may seek to question, search, or even arrest be aware they have the power to take such action?

The failure to clearly and credibly identify all federal law enforcement personnel also creates a heightened security risk. With armed Americans showing up at protests, the lack of identification makes it far too easy for vigilantes either to blend in with the law enforcement officers or spuriously claim authority they don't have. It's confusing and potentially dangerous for Americans exercising their constitutional rights and for other military and law enforcement officers trying to distinguish private citizens from security personnel. A heavily armed officer in tactical gear, with no clearly identifying insignia, is nearly indistinguishable from a militia member trying to terrorize peaceful protestors.


'We the People' trumps 'commander-in-chief'



Plus, while Attorney General William Barr defended the fact that some federal personnel may not have identified themselves, the failure to identify federal law enforcement personnel endangers accountability if there need to be investigations into their actions. It is much easier to act with impunity if there's no fear of attribution. A law enforcement officer's shield or badge connotes authority, but also helps to ensure responsible behavior.

Every president since Carter ( as I mentioned before ) has used secret police forces.
You make it sound like ONLY #45 has had troubles on the home front.
Clearly your (selective) memory is failing you once again.
I hear playing memory games helps, but for you might I suggest taking some supplements also.


Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[slimslob]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Trump's use of unidentified security forces echoes Putin's 'little green men'
In Washington, DC, alone, there has been a dizzying array of security personnel deployed in the last few days. From members of the military to DC police to the US Bureau of Prisons, the streets have become an alphabet soup of acronyms when it comes to law enforcement and security personnel, all designated -- by various levels of government -- to seemingly promote safety. But, as Americans countrywide exercise their constitutional right to protest peacefully, unnecessary assaults on democratic freedoms and civil liberties have proliferated.



Amid the tear gas and rubber bullets, a dangerous Trump trend has arisen. While DC police are required by law to wear badges, unidentified federal law enforcement officials have been caught on camera with no badges, no identifying information, and with large firearms. Some refused to identify themselves or reportedly gave ambiguous answers after being called out publicly for their unattributable presence. (Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Michael Carvajal has said that while Bureau of Prisons staffers don't typically need to identify themselves because they operate "within the confines of our institution" he probably should have had those in DC wearing some identification.)

If this happened anywhere but here, the US would be issuing strongly worded White House and State Department statements and reviewing other policy options to deter and punish this behavior going forward.

Unmarked officers and "secret police" have been used in authoritarian crackdowns throughout history. We used to refer to Russian President Vladimir Putin's unidentified proxies during his annexation of Crimea as "little green men" for wearing unmarked green uniforms. Unattributable shows of force just shouldn't happen in American democracy. They're dangerous on many levels both in the near and longer term.


Donald Trump's most self-defeating move



From a safety perspective, the videos and images of unidentified federal law enforcement personnel standing -- heavily armed -- in the nation's capital could have led to immediate security problems. It was -- and is -- counterproductive to have unidentified law enforcement personnel standing in the streets. Without accreditation or badges of any kind, it is hard for anyone to know whether they have authority to conduct law enforcement missions. How would protesters or anyone these personnel may seek to question, search, or even arrest be aware they have the power to take such action?

The failure to clearly and credibly identify all federal law enforcement personnel also creates a heightened security risk. With armed Americans showing up at protests, the lack of identification makes it far too easy for vigilantes either to blend in with the law enforcement officers or spuriously claim authority they don't have. It's confusing and potentially dangerous for Americans exercising their constitutional rights and for other military and law enforcement officers trying to distinguish private citizens from security personnel. A heavily armed officer in tactical gear, with no clearly identifying insignia, is nearly indistinguishable from a militia member trying to terrorize peaceful protestors.


'We the People' trumps 'commander-in-chief'



Plus, while Attorney General William Barr defended the fact that some federal personnel may not have identified themselves, the failure to identify federal law enforcement personnel endangers accountability if there need to be investigations into their actions. It is much easier to act with impunity if there's no fear of attribution. A law enforcement officer's shield or badge connotes authority, but also helps to ensure responsible behavior.

Is no different than Governor Gaven Newsom's use of the California National Guard in Los Angeles or any other Governor using his or her state National Guard to quell riots. The President cannot use National Guard members without first calling them to Active Duty at which time they would become Federal troops. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 U.S.C & 1385, original at 20 Statute 152) limits the powers of the federal government to use federal troops to support local governments unless the Governor of a state has exhausted all local and state resources and requests federal assistance. As a former Army Reserve Military Policeman this was a required annual training class.

In both law enforcement as well as the military every troop leader, from a fire team leader up to the First in Command, is responsible for and required to know where every person under him/her is. No need for any identification to be worn. Should an incident happen, the people at fault will be identified and properly punished. If they are military, punishment will be a lot swifter than civilian investigations. Military Courts Marshall and non-judicial punishment under Article 15 USCMJ normally happen within weeks, often within days for Article 15, not months or years as with civilian investigations. Once lawyers and labor unions become involved legal negotiations can take forever.

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Not sure if this is factual.. but being POTUS lends him some leeway on how to appropriate certain funds during a hardship time.
I am surprised since you claim to be such an intellectual you haven't honed your knowledge of the US Constitution.
How then can you argue either for or against anything constitutionally related?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Is no different than Governor Gaven Newsom's use of the California National Guard in Los Angeles or any other Governor using his or her state National Guard to quell riots. The President cannot use National Guard members without first calling them to Active Duty at which time they would become Federal troops. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 U.S.C & 1385, original at 20 Statute 152) limits the powers of the federal government to use federal troops to support local governments unless the Governor of a state has exhausted all local and state resources and requests federal assistance. As a former Army Reserve Military Policeman this was a required annual training class.

In both law enforcement as well as the military every troop leader, from a fire team leader up to the First in Command, is responsible for and required to know where every person under him/her is. No need for any identification to be worn. Should an incident happen, the people at fault will be identified and properly punished. If they are military, punishment will be a lot swifter than civilian investigations. Military Courts Marshall and non-judicial punishment under Article 15 USCMJ normally happen within weeks, often within days for Article 15, not months or years as with civilian investigations. Once lawyers and labor unions become involved legal negotiations can take forever.

You left out Gov. "Pooper" from NC. ( he is on his way out)
Run Forest Run!

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Not sure if this is factual.. but being POTUS lends him some leeway on how to appropriate certain funds during a hardship time.
I am surprised since you claim to be such an intellectual you haven't honed your knowledge of the US Constitution.
How then can you argue either for or against anything constitutionally related?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

since you claim to be such an intellectual DUH Google
That's Right you only believe in FAKE NEWS SITES

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Is no different than Governor Gaven Newsom's use of the California National Guard in Los Angeles or any other Governor using his or her state National Guard to quell riots. The President cannot use National Guard members without first calling them to Active Duty at which time they would become Federal troops. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 U.S.C & 1385, original at 20 Statute 152) limits the powers of the federal government to use federal troops to support local governments unless the Governor of a state has exhausted all local and state resources and requests federal assistance. As a former Army Reserve Military Policeman this was a required annual training class.

In both law enforcement as well as the military every troop leader, from a fire team leader up to the First in Command, is responsible for and required to know where every person under him/her is. No need for any identification to be worn. Should an incident happen, the people at fault will be identified and properly punished. If they are military, punishment will be a lot swifter than civilian investigations. Military Courts Marshall and non-judicial punishment under Article 15 USCMJ normally happen within weeks, often within days for Article 15, not months or years as with civilian investigations. Once lawyers and labor unions become involved legal negotiations can take forever.

NOPE AGAIN WRONG NO National Guard deployment has EVER removed name or unit id from uniforms EVER!
Nor have they been ordered NOT to identity themselves when asked.
Only under the Trump Administration

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

since you claim to be such an intellectual DUH Google
That's Right you only believe in FAKE NEWS SITES

As I have stated before I try not to use Google nor any of it's products.
Sorry your simple brain cannot comprehend that FACT!

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

NOPE AGAIN WRONG NO National Guard deployment has EVER removed name or unit id from uniforms EVER!
Nor have they been ordered NOT to identity themselves when asked.
Only under the Trump Administration

Wrong on you're part. Research dude.. that way you don't look so stupid.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

As I have stated before I try not to use Google nor any of it's products.
Sorry your simple brain cannot comprehend that FACT!

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Another childish answer
Guess You cant fix Stupid
Research dude.. that way you don't look so stupid.

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Wrong on you're part. Research dude.. that way you don't look so stupid.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Another childish answer

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Protesters turned Donald Trump's #BabyGate fence into something beautiful
EZ6snNVWsAA3LGq.jpgThe fence Donald Trump had erected around the White House because he's too cowardly to have protesters exercising their First Amendment rights on his doorstep has been transformed.


The barrier that was quickly dubbed #BabyGate has now become something of an art installation for protesters gathered around its perimeter. They may not be able to air their grievances in front of the White House anymore, but they can decorate every inch of the fencing as they mass around it.


That's exactly what has happened. Based on the photos and videos appearing on social media, the fence is now partially or wholly covered with signs of protest. Literal signs, I mean. So even when the protesters have dispersed, the protest itself lingers on right where it's most important for those grievances to be heard.