Any stargazers out there...?

[Copier Addict]

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I hate articles like this.

What exactly was the back-drop light that allowed them to take this picture? What light could possibly be BIGGER than the SBH being filmed?

Or is the disk itself the light (the one they mentioned). And if so, why is that disk only on one side of the black hole--the side further from us? I don't ever see pics of such a disk when it's NOT on the other side of a hole. Like, are there any pics of one on top of it or under it?

I remain skeptical.

The problem I have is they always state this stuff as fact. If this thing is really 55 million light years away how can anyone honestly say exactly what it is.
And somehow they know the actual mass of this object from that far away? Unlikely.

[emujo2]

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Thanks for the PIC.....

Scientists: Blackholes are intense gravity fields that absorb all light.
Layman: Wow!... a Blackhole giving off pretty yellow glowing light.
Confused: ....?.....

Anything past the event horizon cannot get back, including light..You are seeing light produced by the friction of swarming gasses. This light travelled towards us and was far enough away from the EH to make it to us 55 million years later. You also have to remember that this image of the Black Hole is not from the visible spectrum but from Xrays..These are produced by the surrounding accretion disk..I think if you were close enough to see the black hole using visible light it would probably look quite different, maybe even completely obscured by the glowing gasses that surround it..Still visible light must act pretty weird when it is getting close to the point of no return..I read that if you were orbiting the black hole right at the EH, you would pass photons of yourself as you circled..Another interesting oddity is from the observer watching something fall into a black hole, you would never actually see it fall, just sit there suspended as the light became unable to move away..

[theengel]

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Do the gasses that glow actually surround it?? If so, we shouldn't see the blackhole. Because the gasses in front of it would still reach us. Thus, we would just see what looks like another star.

[emujo2]

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Black holes rotate, everything around them rotates with the black hole. These rotational forces force everything into a spinning acreation disk (think rings of Saturn). All that gas/dust/cosmic junk gets superheated as it moves into close proximity of the accretion disk. This super heated gas sends out xrays..This is what the EH telescope is seeing, not visible light.

[NeoMatrix]

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Black holes rotate, everything around them rotates with the black hole. These rotational forces force everything into a spinning acreation disk (think rings of Saturn). All that gas/dust/cosmic junk gets superheated as it moves into close proximity of the accretion disk. This super heated gas sends out xrays..This is what the EH telescope is seeing, not visible light.

Why would the rings of gas be getting hot in the zero temperature vacuum of space?

Why are Saturns rings of rock and ice distributed in density rings only around Saturns equator.

Why aren't the rock and ice rings of saturn melting if the sun is hot?

Heat does not radiate in the vacuum of outer space.

[theengel]

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So the face we're seeing just happens to be the position it is in?? If we looked at another black hole, we night see those same rings, only they'd be crossing through the middle instead of around the outside... like we see Saturn. I wonder why they chose this black hole--was it because it makes for a better photo?

[emujo2]

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Why would the rings of gas be getting hot in the zero temperature vacuum of space?

Why are Saturns rings of rock and ice distributed in density rings only around Saturns equator.

Why aren't the rock and ice rings of saturn melting if the sun is hot?

Heat does not radiate in the vacuum of outer space.

1. Friction...these particles are moving at incredible speeds, bumping into each other on their trip. This generates the heat, heat gives off visible light immense heat gives off x rays.
2. There is no consensus on how these rings formed, but there is very little rock, mostly frozen water.
3. The sun is too far away from Saturn to have much effect on heating..Any internal heat on Saturn would be internally generated, the moons may be heated by gravitational forces induced as they travel around this huge world with immense gravity
4. Of course heat radiates..You have only to watch a thermometer on a cloudless night...that heat collected during the day radiates right back out into space at night..You may have noticed that big yellow ball in the sky..There are 93 million miles between it and us, 99.99999 vacuum, you can put your hand up and feel the heat..This heat is from radiated photons of light, or radiant heat..heat can also be felt though conduction or convection, but since there is nothing directly touching the sun (conduction) and no air is space (convection) radiation is all that's left. Even if it's not the sun, anything hotter than the temperature of space will "radiate" heat....

[mikadonovan]

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Dr. Norman Bergrun, a former 30 year NASA scientist wrote a book called "the ringmakers of Saturn" after the Hubble telescope took some pics of the planet. Here is the one we get to see, and the link to a more in-depth article on the subject.
Ringmakers Of Saturn: 2,000 Mile Long UFO Photographed by NASA? | JP Robinson | Author of Unexplained Mysteries
He is convinced that the rings are manufactured, and constant maintenance is being performed on them. I could not find it, but 1 pic that I seen shows the giant cylinder creating a ring, and it looks as if there is some sort of exhaust coming from one end of it. If I run across it I will post it. Ok, found it.

[NeoMatrix]

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The Sun in the solar system:
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The solar system Sun :
The Sun could be liken to a giant spherical cathode element rotating around the solar systems centralized magnetic field inside a perfect vacuum. The rotation around the centre magnetic field induces micro eddy currents around the Suns outer diameter producing ultra-rays in the EM spectrum, aka solar wind. The suns ultra-rays travel through the vacuum of space and make contact with planet earths outer aetheric field. As the Suns ultra-rays traverse through 400,000 km of the earths true eatheric field, they slow down in frequency. As the ultra-rays slow down in frequency they come into visible light spectrum (ultraviolet to infrared). The suns ultra-rays are the ideal medium that can travel through the vacuum of space. (Research X-rays for similar vacuum propagation phenomenon.)

Heat and sound does not travel through the vacuum of space. Current indoctrination says that the Sun in our solar system is a ball of burning hydrogen gas which produces thermal radiation and heat. The Suns burning gas thermal radiation is a continuation fallacy that is still taught in education institutions today.

Suns Helium to Hydrogen fallacy. If you ignite any spontaneous fuel source it will burn out in a short amount of time. If you ignite the suns theoretical hydrogen gas it should explode in a massive one off fire ball and quickly burn out, regardless of how much helium is converted to hydrogen. If the hydrogen is burnt in one fire ball, then the remaining inert gases of helium should be putting the explosive hydrogen fire out. We know that this is not the case, because the Sun continues to radiate bright in the sky.

Proof heat does not radiate in a vacuum. A hot coffee thermos flask is encase inside a vacuum outer cylinder. Heat does not radiate outside vacuum cylinder, and the coffee inside the thermos flask stays hot. The sun cannot radiate heat through the vacuum of space. The planets closer to the sun are not melting away. If the sun was hot, why do mountain tops miles closer to the sun have ice on them, while deserts miles further away from the sun are boiling hot? Moving closer to a heat source should make the subject hotter, not colder.

Heating a magnet. If you heat a magnet with a blow torch the magnet will gradually loose its magnetic field of attraction. The magnet will once again regain its magnet field on cooling. If the sun was hot it would have no eddy current interaction with the solar system centre magnetic field. Yes the sun has an orbit of its own diameter around the centre magnetic field of the solar system. When viewed from the perspective of earth, the Suns orbit around the magnetic centre has been documented as the side to side wobble of the sun.

Earths aetheric field cause and effect : The angle of difference with the suns position in the sky to the viewer on earth gives a variation in ultra-ray frequency, which produces the suns dawn/dusk red colour of light, when compared to the high noon white colour of light. The dawn-dusk frequency of light has to travel a further 6380 km before it reaches the viewers eye. The light frequency change has nothing to do with dust or clouds in the sky. The earth when seen from space has a green glow around it.

The moon orbiting earth is inside the earths aetheric field of influence. It generates the tides through a pressure wave of interactive light pressure, which produces a tidal bulge either side of the earth. The sun and earth reflective Light(visible,non visible) has physical atmospheric pressure and influences the moons distance from earth.

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[Copier Addict]

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The Sun in the solar system:
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The solar system Sun :
The Sun could be liken to a giant spherical cathode element rotating around the solar systems centralized magnetic field inside a perfect vacuum. The rotation around the centre magnetic field induces micro eddy currents around the Suns outer diameter producing ultra-rays in the EM spectrum, aka solar wind. The suns ultra-rays travel through the vacuum of space and make contact with planet earths outer aetheric field. As the Suns ultra-rays traverse through 400,000 km of the earths true eatheric field, they slow down in frequency. As the ultra-rays slow down in frequency they come into visible light spectrum (ultraviolet to infrared). The suns ultra-rays are the ideal medium that can travel through the vacuum of space. (Research X-rays for similar vacuum propagation phenomenon.)

Heat and sound does not travel through the vacuum of space. Current indoctrination says that the Sun in our solar system is a ball of burning hydrogen gas which produces thermal radiation and heat. The Suns burning gas thermal radiation is a continuation fallacy that is still taught in education institutions today.

Suns Helium to Hydrogen fallacy. If you ignite any spontaneous fuel source it will burn out in a short amount of time. If you ignite the suns theoretical hydrogen gas it should explode in a massive one off fire ball and quickly burn out, regardless of how much helium is converted to hydrogen. If the hydrogen is burnt in one fire ball, then the remaining inert gases of helium should be putting the explosive hydrogen fire out. We know that this is not the case, because the Sun continues to radiate bright in the sky.

Proof heat does not radiate in a vacuum. A hot coffee thermos flask is encase inside a vacuum outer cylinder. Heat does not radiate outside vacuum cylinder, and the coffee inside the thermos flask stays hot. The sun cannot radiate heat through the vacuum of space. The planets closer to the sun are not melting away. If the sun was hot, why do mountain tops miles closer to the sun have ice on them, while deserts miles further away from the sun are boiling hot? Moving closer to a heat source should make the subject hotter, not colder.

Heating a magnet. If you heat a magnet with a blow torch the magnet will gradually loose its magnetic field of attraction. The magnet will once again regain its magnet field on cooling. If the sun was hot it would have no eddy current interaction with the solar system centre magnetic field. Yes the sun has an orbit of its own diameter around the centre magnetic field of the solar system. When viewed from the perspective of earth, the Suns orbit around the magnetic centre has been documented as the side to side wobble of the sun.

Earths aetheric field cause and effect : The angle of difference with the suns position in the sky to the viewer on earth gives a variation in ultra-ray frequency, which produces the suns dawn/dusk red colour of light, when compared to the high noon white colour of light. The dawn-dusk frequency of light has to travel a further 6380 km before it reaches the viewers eye. The light frequency change has nothing to do with dust or clouds in the sky. The earth when seen from space has a green glow around it.

The moon orbiting earth is inside the earths aetheric field of influence. It generates the tides through a pressure wave of interactive light pressure, which produces a tidal bulge either side of the earth. The sun and earth reflective Light(visible,non visible) has physical atmospheric pressure and influences the moons distance from earth.

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A thermos has a physical barrier plus a vacuum to stop the heat from escaping the bottle.
If your angle of difference thing was true there would be red sunrises and sunsets every day.
PS .The earth is not flat. Lol

[emujo2]

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The Sun in the solar system:
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Suns Helium to Hydrogen fallacy. If you ignite any spontaneous fuel source it will burn out in a short amount of time. If you ignite the suns theoretical hydrogen gas it should explode in a massive one off fire ball and quickly burn out, regardless of how much helium is converted to hydrogen. If the hydrogen is burnt in one fire ball, then the remaining inert gases of helium should be putting the explosive hydrogen fire out. We know that this is not the case, because the Sun continues to radiate bright in the sky.

Proof heat does not radiate in a vacuum. A hot coffee thermos flask is encase inside a vacuum outer cylinder. Heat does not radiate outside vacuum cylinder, and the coffee inside the thermos flask stays hot. The sun cannot radiate heat through the vacuum of space. The planets closer to the sun are not melting away. If the sun was hot, why do mountain tops miles closer to the sun have ice on them, while deserts miles further away from the sun are boiling hot? Moving closer to a heat source should make the subject hotter, not colder.

Heating a magnet. If you heat a magnet with a blow torch the magnet will gradually loose its magnetic field of attraction. The magnet will once again regain its magnet field on cooling. If the sun was hot it would have no eddy current interaction with the solar system centre magnetic field. Yes the sun has an orbit of its own diameter around the centre magnetic field of the solar system. When viewed from the perspective of earth, the Suns orbit around the magnetic centre has been documented as the side to side wobble of the sun.

Earths aetheric field cause and effect : The angle of difference with the suns position in the sky to the viewer on earth gives a variation in ultra-ray frequency, which produces the suns dawn/dusk red colour of light, when compared to the high noon white colour of light. The dawn-dusk frequency of light has to travel a further 6380 km before it reaches the viewers eye. The light frequency change has nothing to do with dust or clouds in the sky. The earth when seen from space has a green glow around it.

The moon orbiting earth is inside the earths aetheric field of influence. It generates the tides through a pressure wave of interactive light pressure, which produces a tidal bulge either side of the earth. The sun and earth reflective Light(visible,non visible) has physical atmospheric pressure and influences the moons distance from earth.

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You can buy the most expensive thermos around, it will still not keep you coffee hot for more than 2 days...So where does the heat go?? If the sun doesn't radiate heat, then why isn't the Earth one big ball of ice???.Venus is closer, and obviously much hotter, Mercury has had it's surface baked off (at least 1 side as I believe it is tidally locked), Mars is colder..
I have to assume you are simply trying to get a response and don't actually believe some of the nonsense you are posting here..By your reasoning, planes traveling at 35K feet should burst into flames and melt as they are closer to the sun...You do know that the Icarus story never really happened...But the best part was the "tides are caused by light pressure waves".. I can't wait for the references to the ancient moon bases, and blurry shots of bigfoot...And the earth, when seen from space has a blueish hue..thus the "big blue marble" description given by people who were ACTUALLY in space....And BTW the sun is not just a big ball of hyrdrogen, it's a F'ing mind boggling big ball of Hydrogen under incomprehensible forces of gravity pulling in and nuclear explosive forces pushing out. It's not a spoonful of lighter fluid...the things that go on in the sun are amazing

[NeoMatrix]

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Depending on the angle of incidence with the Sun the earth has a green glow in the upper ionosphere.
There is a ion charge layer of particles extending from the earths surface about 800km high, extending out to around the 6000km radius region around earth.

See the below video for the green glow...

htttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls9yJTphLxg

YouTube

[Copier Addict]

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Depending on the angle of incidence with the Sun the earth has a green glow in the upper ionosphere.
There is a ion charge layer of particles extending from the earths surface about 800km high, extending out to around the 6000km radius region around earth.

See the below video for the green glow...

htttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls9yJTphLxg

YouTube

The only green glow I see in that video is the Aurora Borealis and it doesn't go anywhere near 800 km high. What kind of "science" are you touting here? Seems like tinfoil hat kind of stuff

[NeoMatrix]

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Hot and Cold Earth.
Heat from the Sun comes in the form of various velocities of ultra-ray and chemical or actinic rays.
Warming of the earth from the sun comes about by a kinetic transfer of ultra-ray energy to the more denser atomic layers of air, water, and rock. The more dense the object, the more the Suns kinetic energy rays are transferred to the atomic layers.

The reason mountain tops miles closer to the sun are covered in ice, while deserts plains miles further away are hot, has to do with the angle of incidence that the suns rays strike the earth.
The angle of incidence that the Suns rays strike the earths denser layers gives rise to the amount of kinetic energy transferred.
If the Sun is at high noon(90deg) maximum kinetic transfer of energy is imparted into the dense ground. As the ultra-rays
strike the earths ground layer they create a warming band at ground level which makes the desert plains searing hot.
Ice covered Mountain tops have an acute angle geological structure as they rise above the ground;the Suns rays do not strike their
sloping ground surface to impart maximum kinetic energy, and therefor there is no warming band created on ice covered mountain tops. The angle of earths inclination rotation tilt gives rise to the seasonal shift. As the earth changes it angle of incidence to the sun the angle the rays strike the earth gives rise to the hot and cold regular yearly seasons. The arctic poles have a very low angle of incidence with the sun and therefor will always be covered in ice. Except for mans interfering atomic bombs detonated in the arctic regions which are now causing a warming band effect in those areas.

Velocity of Light.
Light does not travel in an absolute vacuum.
Light will travel in a semi-vacuum to a lesser extent.
Ultraviolet light(invisible spectrum) will travel better in a lesser dense medium than it travels in a denser medium.
Infrared light(heat) will travel in a denser medium better than it will travel in a less denser medium.

The visible light spectrum that reaches the surface of the earth leaves the Sun travelling at approx 6,250,000 miles/second (10,058,400 Km/sec)
Conventional science has the speed of visible light at 299792.458 Km/sec. The real speed of the visible light spectrum from the Sun is around 30 times faster.
The sun has varying speeds of ultra-rays, which leave the Suns at even far greater velocity than the visible spectrum.
If the modified infrared light loses 30,000 megahertz in frequency as it travels through only 6758km of the earths aetheric field,
how much speed is lost as the suns ultra-rays travel though 407200 km of earths true aetheric field?

[Copier Addict]

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Hot and Cold Earth.
Heat from the Sun comes in the form of various velocities of ultra-ray and chemical or actinic rays.
Warming of the earth from the sun comes about by a kinetic transfer of ultra-ray energy to the more denser atomic layers of air, water, and rock. The more dense the object, the more the Suns kinetic energy rays are transferred to the atomic layers.

The reason mountain tops miles closer to the sun are covered in ice, while deserts plains miles further away are hot, has to do with the angle of incidence that the suns rays strike the earth.
The angle of incidence that the Suns rays strike the earths denser layers gives rise to the amount of kinetic energy transferred.
If the Sun is at high noon(90deg) maximum kinetic transfer of energy is imparted into the dense ground. As the ultra-rays
strike the earths ground layer they create a warming band at ground level which makes the desert plains searing hot.
Ice covered Mountain tops have an acute angle geological structure as they rise above the ground;the Suns rays do not strike their
sloping ground surface to impart maximum kinetic energy, and therefor there is no warming band created on ice covered mountain tops. The angle of earths inclination rotation tilt gives rise to the seasonal shift. As the earth changes it angle of incidence to the sun the angle the rays strike the earth gives rise to the hot and cold regular yearly seasons. The arctic poles have a very low angle of incidence with the sun and therefor will always be covered in ice. Except for mans interfering atomic bombs detonated in the arctic regions which are now causing a warming band effect in those areas.

Velocity of Light.
Light does not travel in an absolute vacuum.
Light will travel in a semi-vacuum to a lesser extent.
Ultraviolet light(invisible spectrum) will travel better in a lesser dense medium than it travels in a denser medium.
Infrared light(heat) will travel in a denser medium better than it will travel in a less denser medium.

The visible light spectrum that reaches the surface of the earth leaves the Sun travelling at approx 6,250,000 miles/second (10,058,400 Km/sec)
Conventional science has the speed of visible light at 299792.458 Km/sec. The real speed of the visible light spectrum from the Sun is around 30 times faster.
The sun has varying speeds of ultra-rays, which leave the Suns at even far greater velocity than the visible spectrum.
If the modified infrared light loses 30,000 megahertz in frequency as it travels through only 6758km of the earths aetheric field,
how much speed is lost as the suns ultra-rays travel though 407200 km of earths true aetheric field?

WOW!!!! Sprinkle in some real science and then throw in the made up stuff. Where do you get this info?