Any stargazers out there...?

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Feynman's Lost Lecture:

For those interested in delving further into the calculated constant/periodic rotational and orbital motion of the planets.
The following youtube video (21mins) shows how elliptic orbits can be explained in a mathematical sequence of time slice events. The narrator of the video assumes that the viewer has a basic understanding of angles and vectors.


htttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdIjYBtnvZU
YouTube

[theengel]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Pretty cool.

But I wonder if anyone, in laymen's terms, can explain why things orbit in an ellipse instead of a circle. I've always wondered that, but could never find an explanation that my tiny brain can hold.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Pretty cool.

But I wonder if anyone, in laymen's terms, can explain why things orbit in an ellipse instead of a circle. I've always wondered that, but could never find an explanation that my tiny brain can hold.

Re. Elliptic Orbits
The elliptic orbit of the planets is cause by the Sun pushing the planet further out into a bigger radius/orbit during procession.
The push of the Sun further retards the planets orbit to a lower radius during regression, as the planet starts to orbit the close side of the Sun.

The elliptic orbit is further proof that the Sun "pushes" on planets and does not attract them.
All the bigger planets would spiral into the Sun on the near side of the ellipse orbit if the Sun had a supposed centripetal "attract" force of gravity.

As it was:
Its been nearly 30years since I studied astrophysics at Uni. I'm surprised I still remember some of the actual topic.
Not every person in astrophysics class believes in the Sun-Gravity indoctrination we were taught, some people were free thinkers.
I too reacted with "shear opposition" to the attract Solar Magnetic-Field and pushing Sun Solar Light principles when I first learned of it.
After learning the full argument with Mathematical proofs, I knew there where people around who know more than they let on....

I only wish to present another side of the Astrophysics fake indoctrination that we all have shoved into us at University.
Forgive me if I make mistakes or errors of omission during my recollection, it was a long time ago.

I now hold firm to the true facts of how the planets work.
The Sun pushes the planets away, it does NOT attract them.
The solar system Magnetic Field centre attracts the planets toward the centre of the solar system.
The "balanced force" of both attraction and repulsion causes the planet to orbit in a precise "gearwheel" periodic time frame, every cycle.

How the planetary orbit precise "gearwheel" periodic time frame occurs is quite amazing, and very humbling.
Mathematics means intelligence in any language. If the universe is mathematical, Who or What created it????

If you find out, please let me know too.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Re. Elliptic Orbits
The elliptic orbit of the planets is cause by the Sun pushing the planet further out into a bigger radius/orbit during procession.
The push of the Sun further retards the planets orbit to a lower radius during regression, as the planet starts to orbit the close side of the Sun.

The elliptic orbit is further proof that the Sun "pushes" on planets and does not attract them.
All the bigger planets would spiral into the Sun on the near side of the ellipse orbit if the Sun had a supposed centripetal "attract" force of gravity.

As it was:
Its been nearly 30years since I studied astrophysics at Uni. I'm surprised I still remember some of the actual topic.
Not every person in astrophysics class believes in the Sun-Gravity indoctrination we were taught, some people were free thinkers.
I too reacted with "shear opposition" to the attract Solar Magnetic-Field and pushing Sun Solar Light principles when I first learned of it.
After learning the full argument with Mathematical proofs, I knew there where people around who know more than they let on....

I only wish to present another side of the Astrophysics fake indoctrination that we all have shoved into us at University.
Forgive me if I make mistakes or errors of omission during my recollection, it was a long time ago.

I now hold firm to the true facts of how the planets work.
The Sun pushes the planets away, it does NOT attract them.
The solar system Magnetic Field centre attracts the planets toward the centre of the solar system.
The "balanced force" of both attraction and repulsion causes the planet to orbit in a precise "gearwheel" periodic time frame, every cycle.

How the planetary orbit precise "gearwheel" periodic time frame occurs is quite amazing, and very humbling.
Mathematics means intelligence in any language. If the universe is mathematical, Who or What created it????

If you find out, please let me know too.

So, if the sun repels the planets, but the planets are attracted to the centre of the solar system and the sun is at the centre of the solar system...........

[emujo2]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

I guess NASA is wrong about this...their Astrophysisists seem to think that it is GRAVITY that keeps the planets moving around our sun..Similar to how the moon, or a space craft orbits our own planet..the sideways rate of speed overcomes the tendancy to fall back to the ground. The reason we have such stable orbits is this has been going on for over 4 billion years..Anything that was moving to slow was gobbled up by the sun or another planet, anything moving too fast left the solor system eons ago. And origianlly the planets orbits were a near perfect circle. It's the garvity (tug) of the other planets that has led to the eliptical orbits..What school did you go to?? MakeitupasyougoalongU? The sun does exert an outward pressue (solar wind) this pressure is enough to keep the junk in th Ort cloud far enough out that it doesn't affect us very often, and it helps keep the galactic cosmic rays from easlliy passing through the heliopause. A larger scale version of Earths magnetic field diverting the suns radiation. Ed

[theengel]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

I guess NASA is wrong about this...their Astrophysisists seem to think that it is GRAVITY that keeps the planets moving around our sun..Similar to how the moon, or a space craft orbits our own planet..the sideways rate of speed overcomes the tendancy to fall back to the ground. The reason we have such stable orbits is this has been going on for over 4 billion years..Anything that was moving to slow was gobbled up by the sun or another planet, anything moving too fast left the solor system eons ago. And origianlly the planets orbits were a near perfect circle. It's the garvity (tug) of the other planets that has led to the eliptical orbits..What school did you go to?? MakeitupasyougoalongU? The sun does exert an outward pressue (solar wind) this pressure is enough to keep the junk in th Ort cloud far enough out that it doesn't affect us very often, and it helps keep the galactic cosmic rays from easlliy passing through the heliopause. A larger scale version of Earths magnetic field diverting the suns radiation. Ed

That's not enough to explain an eliptical orbit. If a comet comes in so close to the sun that it picks up the speed that it does, it doesn't make any sense to me that the comet could escape that gravitational pull. It should keep spiraling in and crash and burn... it shouldn't suddenly get flung away the way it does. Or it should sail past the sun, and not get sucked into an orbit at all. As it gets closer to the sun, it goes faster. The faster it goes, the more likely it is to break away from the orbit. So why does it not break away from the orbit at it's closest point?

I have to think this out.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

I hold premise to the literal term "Gravity". I have no problem with any text or literature reference to the word "Gravity".
When I read the word "gravity", I automatically associate it with the binary/duality force of attract-repel phenomenon.

One word with two states or fields of force defining its true underlying interpretation.

Its a bit like defining the word "Ice", as low temperature(state1 solid) water (state2 liquid).
Just call it one word, "Ice" ,even though it has two states.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Truth gets stranger than fiction....
An interesting article about a newly discovered star, with invisible light an a Stella wind that travels at 10,000miles per second.


htttps://newatlas.com/rarest-celestial-object-white-dwarf-merger/59786/

Bizarre celestial object spotted is one of the rarest in the galaxy

[Nachoman4life]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Enough to have Stellarium, on hand.

[emujo2]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Truth gets stranger than fiction....
An interesting article about a newly discovered star, with invisible light an a Stella wind that travels at 10,000miles per second.


htttps://newatlas.com/rarest-celestial-object-white-dwarf-merger/59786/

Bizarre celestial object spotted is one of the rarest in the galaxy

"Stella!!!!!!"

[emujo2]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

That's not enough to explain an eliptical orbit. If a comet comes in so close to the sun that it picks up the speed that it does, it doesn't make any sense to me that the comet could escape that gravitational pull. It should keep spiraling in and crash and burn... it shouldn't suddenly get flung away the way it does. Or it should sail past the sun, and not get sucked into an orbit at all. As it gets closer to the sun, it goes faster. The faster it goes, the more likely it is to break away from the orbit. So why does it not break away from the orbit at it's closest point?

I have to think this out.

We are talking about established planets and other objects orbiting our sun. These orbits were established billions of years ago..They probably started out as near perfect circles, but the larger gas giants have pulled and tugged for so long the orbits get stretched. If these gas giants were to again change position our orbits would change again, maybe even getting flung inward to the sun or outward and gone. If you think of it on a earth scale....Shuttle is in orbit..With no outside interference (atmosphere drag) it should remain there forever..If you want to make the orbit larger, you need to increase speed, if you want to decrease you must apply brakes..If you add too much speed you overcome gravity and head off in a straight line. We have used earth, moon, and the gas giants many times to get speed increases. Im pretty sure you don't point the object directly into the body you want to use for this..You would shoot for someplace above it. As the bodies gravity starts to take affect, the object will start "falling" towards it, but again, the increase in speed overcomes gravity and the object again heads off in a straight line.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

We are talking about established planets and other objects orbiting our sun. These orbits were established billions of years ago..They probably started out as near perfect circles, but the larger gas giants have pulled and tugged for so long the orbits get stretched. If these gas giants were to again change position our orbits would change again, maybe even getting flung inward to the sun or outward and gone. If you think of it on a earth scale....Shuttle is in orbit..With no outside interference (atmosphere drag) it should remain there forever..If you want to make the orbit larger, you need to increase speed, if you want to decrease you must apply brakes..If you add too much speed you overcome gravity and head off in a straight line. We have used earth, moon, and the gas giants many times to get speed increases. Im pretty sure you don't point the object directly into the body you want to use for this..You would shoot for someplace above it. As the bodies gravity starts to take affect, the object will start "falling" towards it, but again, the increase in speed overcomes gravity and the object again heads off in a straight line.

And don't forget that even though to us the sun looks stationary, it really isn't. So we are orbiting a moving object.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

We are talking about established planets and other objects orbiting our sun. These orbits were established billions of years ago..They probably started out as near perfect circles, but the larger gas giants have pulled and tugged for so long the orbits get stretched. If these gas giants were to again change position our orbits would change again, maybe even getting flung inward to the sun or outward and gone. If you think of it on a earth scale....Shuttle is in orbit..With no outside interference (atmosphere drag) it should remain there forever..If you want to make the orbit larger, you need to increase speed, if you want to decrease you must apply brakes..If you add too much speed you overcome gravity and head off in a straight line. We have used earth, moon, and the gas giants many times to get speed increases. Im pretty sure you don't point the object directly into the body you want to use for this..You would shoot for someplace above it. As the bodies gravity starts to take affect, the object will start "falling" towards it, but again, the increase in speed overcomes gravity and the object again heads off in a straight line.

So you are saying the Gas Giants perturbation is/has caused the elliptical orbits of all the other planets in our solar system. There would have to be some logical reasoning behind your perturbation elliptical orbit assumption.

You may like to explain to the forum with diagrams or mathematical proofs, as to what planetary interactive force was applied. Please explain how those forces reacted with the smaller planets to cause the gas giants to interfere periodic, and perturb the smaller planets along their elliptical orbits.

Of course there must be some "force" (call it gravity).
Now explain in detail your proposed logical reasoning behind the gas giants perturbation.
You would have to know the calculated orbital an axial/rotational velocity cycle of each planet to prove the precise maximum/minimum elliptical period interval point that those perturb interactions took place.
This assumes of cause, that the perturbation from the gas giants even takes place.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

The Suns Orbit
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The Sun has an orbit of its own around the solar system centre magnetic field.
The Sun travels around the magnetic centre of the solar system at a distance of 6,250,000 miles in orbital diameter.
The Sun takes 355 days to complete one cycle around the magnetic centre of the solar system.
The 355 day cycle was how the ancient astronomers would calculated their true solar year.

The Earth has a 365.25 day orbital cycle,but is properly defined as 366.25 days long when you take into account the orbit of the Sun around the solar system and larger galactic orbit.
The Sun has an orbital rotational plane that is align at 46deg to the mean equatorial plane of the solar system planets. The angular plane orbital path of the Sun in effect has an upward and downward movement around the solar system centre. The pressure of solar light pushing from the Sun, causes the planets to move upward and downward during their orbits around the magnetic centre.
The Sun when moving upward and downward in its cycle, casts more light on the Northern hemisphere when the Sun is in the Up position,and more light on the Southern hemisphere when the Sun is in the down position. The viewed inclination change from all the planets comes about by falsely defining the sun as a fixed point of reference in the system. The planets have a fixed inclination when we view the Sun as moving up and down its own tangential plane of orbit.

The Sun emits light at various different wavelengths and frequencies, its emissions are never uniform.
The chemical/diffused light from the Sun comes about when energy passes through the Hydrogen and Sodium layers of the Sun. If you study a casting shadow from the Sun you can see an illuminate band around the shadow that represents the diffused light.
The mean tangential plane of orbit of the Sun further assists in the elliptical orbits of the planets.

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[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

The Suns Orbit
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The Sun has an orbit of its own around the solar system centre magnetic field.
The Sun travels around the magnetic centre of the solar system at a distance of 6,250,000 miles in orbital diameter.
The Sun takes 355 days to complete one cycle around the magnetic centre of the solar system.
The 355 day cycle was how the ancient astronomers would calculated their true solar year.

The Earth has a 365.25 day orbital cycle,but is properly defined as 366.25 days long when you take into account the orbit of the Sun around the solar system and larger galactic orbit.
The Sun has an orbital rotational plane that is align at 46deg to the mean equatorial plane of the solar system planets. The angular plane orbital path of the Sun in effect has an upward and downward movement around the solar system centre. The pressure of solar light pushing from the Sun, causes the planets to move upward and downward during their orbits around the magnetic centre.
The Sun when moving upward and downward in its cycle, casts more light on the Northern hemisphere when the Sun is in the Up position,and more light on the Southern hemisphere when the Sun is in the down position. The viewed inclination change from all the planets comes about by falsely defining the sun as a fixed point of reference in the system. The planets have a fixed inclination when we view the Sun as moving up and down its own tangential plane of orbit.

The Sun emits light at various different wavelengths and frequencies, its emissions are never uniform.
The chemical/diffused light from the Sun comes about when energy passes through the Hydrogen and Sodium layers of the Sun. If you study a casting shadow from the Sun you can see an illuminate band around the shadow that represents the diffused light.
The mean tangential plane of orbit of the Sun further assists in the elliptical orbits of the planets.

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Okay, next can you tell us about the unicorns please?