Any stargazers out there...?

[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Re.The Sun.
The physical surface of the Sun is not hot. I'm informed it is about 50degC on the actual surface. Think to yourself tornado plasma field when you read about the Sun's plasma field. The center of all tornadoes/cyclones is dead calm and quite. Around the surface/center is a tremendous raging storm.

Scientist are going to have an involuntary bowel motion when they eventually realise they are watching the fundamental mechanics of the hydrogen atom at work.

It is the fundamental law of the universe in motion.
Delve into Fourier transforms in correlation with matrix mathematics , magic squares and cymatic principles, and you will stride leaps and bounds towards understanding how the particle universe is created out of pressure waves up on the fabric of infinite space.

Re. Space.
It is not space/time as many scientists so falsely believe ,it is just empty infinite space in all directions. Time is just the measured distance(man's rules) between two points of relative motion. For if you have no "motion" ,you have no "time".

Oh brother, here we go again. The earth is flat, the sun is cold and we live under a dome.

[emujo2]

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LOL you beat me to it..So if somehow you could avoid the heat from the sun on the way to it, you could stand on the surface in you bare feet.. Or better yet, if you had a lighter than the suns atmosphere giant pair of shoes, you could stand on it like floating on water. For those of us from this solar system the suns temp ranges from 27 million degrees in the core to up to 10000 in the photosphere and between 1.7 and 17 million in the corona. All my research on the sun never mentions an area cool enough to stand on...E

[theengel]

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I've always wondered about people like that. I wouldn't call Neo and idiot. Reading his posts you can see a certain level of intelligence. So why the idiotic idea that the sun is cool?

I would bet that it stems from his understanding of some other principle. Somewhere along the line, he had a light bulb moment, and some sort of premise suddenly made sense to him. Sparks were flying as he used that principle to all sorts of other applications--often overlooking hundreds of equally important principles that he was either ignoring, or just unaware of.

What I'm saying is that I don't think it's a lack of understanding that draws people to these kinds of conclusions (and this might even include the flat-earthers). It's the inability to apply understanding to more than one thing. It's the thousands of other laws that they fail to see. It's too many things at once that does them in.

Let me try to say this another way. It's the mistrust of others who have already put time into the subject. Neo had some physics law that he doubted at one time. Then he looked at it long enough and hard enough until it made sense to him. Applying that law to the sun, he figured some things out. If someone reminded him of some other principles, he might or might not accept them--based on whether or not he understood the principles. We, on the other hand, even if we don't completely understand a principle, rely on faith that the principle works and that it's applicable. Like Einstein's theory on special relativity. I don't understand it. I accept it because the math works, but I still don't understand it. Neo, on the other hand, won't accept it until he does understand it. And that, I bet, is how he came up with the notion of a cool sun.

[NeoMatrix]

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I love you guys you certainly get my enthusiasm going again...
Its been twenty five or more years since I've had this debate in an open public forum, I'm a tad rusty.

Yes I've debated this topic in an open public forum to NASA scientists head-to-head, and these NASA scientists cannot provide the answers to the questions. They openly admit they don't have the answers.

I have no problems with an open public debate.

Sincerely...
I like watching people twist and degrade the topic into their level of personal attacks.
Personal attacks shows a persons ignorance and thier true level of intellect about a topic.
I some times bemuse to myself when people show the world their child like orangutan behavior.

Keep the conversion relevant and civil an I may share some further information...

Or, I may not...

[NeoMatrix]

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LOL you beat me to it..So if somehow you could avoid the heat from the sun on the way to it, you could stand on the surface in you bare feet.. Or better yet, if you had a lighter than the suns atmosphere giant pair of shoes, you could stand on it like floating on water. For those of us from this solar system the suns temp ranges from 27 million degrees in the core to up to 10000 in the photosphere and between 1.7 and 17 million in the corona. All my research on the sun never mentions an area cool enough to stand on...E

Is an induction stove hot plate "hot" to touch...?

Place a pan of water on an induction stove, let the water boil, remove the pan ,place your hand on the induction plate?
Does the induction plate burn you..? No, and yet it boils water.

Is a flourescent light globe or LED hot to touch, and yet there is bright light.

Is chemical light from glow worms, moths , plankton hot to touch and yet they produce bright chemical light.

Light with out any form of heat is well practiced throughout nature...

I too vigoursly rejected every bit of the cool Sun topic when I was first
introduced to this information. I gave the poor bloke a heck of a hard time. I now thank the guy for jolting a tad of sense into me, as to question the scientific dogma spoon feed into us.

NB... I have nil,none,no association with any flat-earth group, previous or present day...

[slimslob]

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Is an induction stove hot plate "hot" to touch...?

Place a pan of water on an induction stove, let the water boil, remove the pan ,place your hand on the induction plate?
Does the induction plate burn you..? No, and yet it boils water.

Is a flourescent light globe or LED hot to touch, and yet there is bright light.

Is chemical light from glow worms, moths , plankton hot to touch and yet they produce bright chemical light.

Light with out any form of heat is well practiced throughout nature...

I too vigoursly rejected every bit of the cool Sun topic when I was first
introduced to this information. I gave the poor bloke a heck of a hard time. I now thank the guy for jolting a tad of sense into me, as to question the scientific dogma spoon feed into us.

NB... I have nil,none,no association with any flat-earth group, previous or present day...

It could be similar to the question of "how do they walk on hot coals". The answer is that you do not. You walk on the ash that covers the hot coals. Your feet never touch the coals themselves.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

It could be similar to the question of "how do they walk on hot coals". The answer is that you do not. You walk on the ash that covers the hot coals. Your feet never touch the coals themselves.

I feel your talking about the carbon effect of cooling/cold charcoal.
From memory ,I believe the space shuttle tiles when made of a type of carbon composite... too long ago now.
There is a moisture buffer effect from a persons skin as the water evaporates. Myth Busters did a segment on this topic.

[theengel]

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Are you saying nuclear fusion produces no heat?

[emujo2]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

The light from the sun hits us with over 98000 lux.. The brightest flashlight puts out 4k lux, a normal flashlight about 40 lux, and a LED around 150 lux. Anything that absorbs light will increase in temp, (not always measurable by our own senses) Stand out side in direct sunlight, we see and feel the visible light, are also heated by the infrared, and burned by the UV. LED lights are much more efficient in that there is not a lot of waste through heat like an incandescent bulb. Florescent light is at a different wave length (lower energy and less heat, but still measurably there). Space shuttle ceramic tiles are able to shed the absorbed heat almost as fast as they feel it.

[emujo2]

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I feel your talking about the carbon effect of cooling/cold charcoal.
From memory ,I believe the space shuttle tiles when made of a type of carbon composite... too long ago now.
There is a moisture buffer effect from a persons skin as the water evaporates. Myth Busters did a segment on this topic.

I feel your talking about the carbon effect of cooling/cold charcoal--Googled this, absolutely nothing regarding this "effect". Again you are making shit up and calling it facts

There is a moisture buffer effect from a persons skin as the water evaporates. Myth Busters did a segment on this topic.

--Also nothing anywhere to support this was ever mentioned by the myth busters show let alone anyone ever.

From memory ,I believe the space shuttle tiles when made of a type of carbon composite... too long ago now--I have no idea what you were trying to say with this.

I think you need to start putting your statements in the Joke of the Day thread.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Are you saying nuclear fusion produces no heat?

Directly to the point...

The Sun is a ball of various metals, the main material being iron.
The Sun has it's own permenant magnetic field, and therefore can not maintain that magnetic field if the Sun was hot.
The Sun revolves around the solar system magnetic centre in 355 days. (Well known, see ancient mayan calendar).
The Suns own revolution is documented as the side to side wobble of the Sun. (See science today.)

When you induce a magnetic field near an iron substrated you get induction in the iron domains. ( See induction stove.)

In effect you get magnetic eddy currents in the Suns iron domains caused by the primary magnetic field of the Solar system centre.
If you introduce the Suns own permenant magnetic field into the Suns primary induction field ,you get violent bursts of plasma that errupt outward from the sun at huge velocities...Millions of km/s.

The Sun has maintain a billions+ years of light by a simple means of magnetic induction princples.

The Sun is not a 2 billion+ year old burning blob of hydrogen which (if burning hot) would have turn to a burnt out charcol blob a thousand years after it ignited. It's foolish to believe that a burning object does not reduce down in size, even after 2 billion years of burning? Such be the case, Science has not stated that the Sun has reduced down in size after 2 billion years...

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

I feel your talking about the carbon effect of cooling/cold charcoal--Googled this, absolutely nothing regarding this "effect". Again you are making shit up and calling it facts

There is a moisture buffer effect from a persons skin as the water evaporates. Myth Busters did a segment on this topic.

--Also nothing anywhere to support this was ever mentioned by the myth busters show let alone anyone ever.

From memory ,I believe the space shuttle tiles when made of a type of carbon composite... too long ago now--I have no idea what you were trying to say with this.

I think you need to start putting your statements in the Joke of the Day thread.

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Myth buster moisture buffer effect:
hhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOCAd2QhGg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOCAd2QhGg

Space Shuttle carbon composite heat tiles:
hhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system

Space Shuttle thermal protection system - Wikipedia
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Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC)Edit

Main article: Reinforced carbon–carbon
RCC panels about ¹⁄₄ to ¹⁄₂ inch (6.4 to 12.7 mm) thick. T-seals between each panel allowed for thermal expansion and lateral movement between these panels and the wing.
RCC was a laminated composite material made from carbon fibres impregnated with a phenolic resin. After curing at high temperature in an autoclave, the laminate was pyrolized to convert the resin to pure carbon. This was then impregnated with furfural alcohol in a vacuum chamber, then cured and pyrolized again to convert the furfural alcohol to carbon. This process was repeated three times until the desired carbon-carbon properties were achieved.
To provide oxidation resistance for reuse capability, the outer layers of the RCC were coated with silicon carbide. The silicon-carbide coating protected the carbon-carbon from oxidation. The RCC was highly resistant to fatigue loading that was experienced during ascent and entry. It was stronger than the tiles and was also used around the socket of the forward attach point of the orbiter to the External Tank to accommodate the shock loads of the explosive bolt detonation. RCC was the only TPS material that also served as structural support for part of the orbiter's aerodynamic shape: the wing leading edges and the nose cap. All other TPS components (tiles and blankets) were mounted onto structural materials that supported them, mainly the aluminum frame and skin of the orbiter.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Directly to the point...

The Sun is a ball of various metals the main material being iron.
The Sun has it's own permenant magnetic field, and therefore can not maintain that magnetic field if the Sun was hot.
The Sun revolves around the solar system magnetic centre in 355 days. (Well known, see ancient mayan calendar).
The Suns own revolution is documented as the side to side wobble of the Sun. (See science today)

When you induce a magnetic field near an iron substrated you get induction in the iron domains. ( See induction stove)

In effect you get magnetic eddy currents in the Suns iron domains caused by the primary magnetic field of the Solar system centre.
If you introduce the Suns own permenant magnetic field into the Suns primary induction field ,you get violent bursts of plasma that errupt outward from the sun at huge velocities...Millions of km/s.

The Sun has maintain a billions+ of years light by a simple means of magnetic induction princples.

The Sun is not a 2 billion+ year old burning blob of hydrogen which (if burning hot) would have turn to a burnt out charcol blob a thousand years after it ignited. Foolish to believe that a burning object does not reduce down in size, even after 2 billion years of burning? Such be the case, Science has not stated that the Sun has reduced down in size after 2 billion years...

Sure, except the sun isn't "burning" it is in a constant state of nuclear fusion. Thus, the heat.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Directly to the point...

The Sun is a ball of various metals, the main material being iron.
The Sun has it's own permenant magnetic field, and therefore can not maintain that magnetic field if the Sun was hot.
The Sun revolves around the solar system magnetic centre in 355 days. (Well known, see ancient mayan calendar).
The Suns own revolution is documented as the side to side wobble of the Sun. (See science today.)

When you induce a magnetic field near an iron substrated you get induction in the iron domains. ( See induction stove.)

In effect you get magnetic eddy currents in the Suns iron domains caused by the primary magnetic field of the Solar system centre.
If you introduce the Suns own permenant magnetic field into the Suns primary induction field ,you get violent bursts of plasma that errupt outward from the sun at huge velocities...Millions of km/s.

The Sun has maintain a billions+ years of light by a simple means of magnetic induction princples.

The Sun is not a 2 billion+ year old burning blob of hydrogen which (if burning hot) would have turn to a burnt out charcol blob a thousand years after it ignited. It's foolish to believe that a burning object does not reduce down in size, even after 2 billion years of burning? Such be the case, Science has not stated that the Sun has reduced down in size after 2 billion years...

Sorry, but heat does not affect a magnetic field, only magnets. Therefore the hot sun certainly can have its own magnetic field produced by nuclear fusion.

[emujo2]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Directly to the point...

The Sun is a ball of various metals, the main material being iron.
The Sun has it's own permenant magnetic field, and therefore can not maintain that magnetic field if the Sun was hot.
The Sun revolves around the solar system magnetic centre in 355 days. (Well known, see ancient mayan calendar).
The Suns own revolution is documented as the side to side wobble of the Sun. (See science today.)

When you induce a magnetic field near an iron substrated you get induction in the iron domains. ( See induction stove.)

In effect you get magnetic eddy currents in the Suns iron domains caused by the primary magnetic field of the Solar system centre.
If you introduce the Suns own permenant magnetic field into the Suns primary induction field ,you get violent bursts of plasma that errupt outward from the sun at huge velocities...Millions of km/s.

The Sun has maintain a billions+ years of light by a simple means of magnetic induction princples.

The Sun is not a 2 billion+ year old burning blob of hydrogen which (if burning hot) would have turn to a burnt out charcol blob a thousand years after it ignited. It's foolish to believe that a burning object does not reduce down in size, even after 2 billion years of burning? Such be the case, Science has not stated that the Sun has reduced down in size after 2 billion years...

If the sun was a big piece of Oak firewood you would be correct, it would reduce in size as time moved on and burnt out many years ago..The sun is a Gianormous ball of gas, mostly hydrogen, under immense pressure. This immense pressure generates heat and induces fusion. When hydrogen fuses it becomes another element (Helium in this case) and gives off light in the process. The sun will continue to work this way until it can no longer fuse the elements into something higher up the food chain. In our case it will stop at carbon and be the biggest diamond around for a few light years. But amazingly enough it will still have the same mass it has at the moment, and our earth (if anything is left) will continue to orbit around this stellar core. E