The Price Of Freedom

[Copier Addict]

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What's more, those two versus have nothing to do with infidels... This is direction on how to conduct themselves. How to deal with those who live in that nation and don't follow the rules.

There's nothing in the Bible directing people to kill infidels.

[TheBlueOrleans]

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Had to put my boots on to wade into this...

First, The Bible is separated into Old and New Testaments so as to clearly illustrate the sacrifice of Christ to satisfy the requirements of the law in the Old Testament, which were strict. The teachings of Jesus are much more aligned with helping those in need, teaching those who would hear, and refraining from some "socially acceptable" practices. The Old Testament gave instructions for how the nation of Israel (the people, not the land) were to behave, in addition to how they were to separate themselves from the rest of the people by way of their behavior. It also provided historical accounts of how events came to pass, so as to educate further generations about their own history. The Gospels in the New Testament showed the fulfillment of many of the prophecies in the life and actions of Jesus Christ, quite clearly. I am not thoroughly informed, but I think Judaism disregards the New Testament in its entirety, choosing to believe that Jesus was not, in fact, the Messiah they awaited, but something or someone else, if they acknowledge Him at all. Judaism traces its roots back to Isaac, son of Abraham and Sarah, and back further to Adam.

Now then, Islam traces its roots to Ishmael, son of Abraham and his servant (not his wife Sarah). I admit I am also not thoroughly informed of the details of the islamic faith, but I have read accounts of some who are, and the brutality is astonishing.

I personally tend to lean a little more libertarian when it comes to polite society: you think what you want, believe what you want, pray how you want, worship whomever you want, but keep it to yourself. The minute someone's religion tells them they have to either convert me or kill me, that's when I take issue with it. I think a vast majority of Americans are of a similar mindset.
Do what you need to do, but "This we'll defend".

Remember today's date.

[theengel]

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These are laws concerning how the Jews should rule themselves in the promised land. They are not in any way directives for killing infidels. I've never heard of Christians using them as such.

[Copier Addict]

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Had to put my boots on to wade into this...

First, The Bible is separated into Old and New Testaments so as to clearly illustrate the sacrifice of Christ to satisfy the requirements of the law in the Old Testament, which were strict. The teachings of Jesus are much more aligned with helping those in need, teaching those who would hear, and refraining from some "socially acceptable" practices. The Old Testament gave instructions for how the nation of Israel (the people, not the land) were to behave, in addition to how they were to separate themselves from the rest of the people by way of their behavior. It also provided historical accounts of how events came to pass, so as to educate further generations about their own history. The Gospels in the New Testament showed the fulfillment of many of the prophecies in the life and actions of Jesus Christ, quite clearly. I am not thoroughly informed, but I think Judaism disregards the New Testament in its entirety, choosing to believe that Jesus was not, in fact, the Messiah they awaited, but something or someone else, if they acknowledge Him at all. Judaism traces its roots back to Isaac, son of Abraham and Sarah, and back further to Adam.

Now then, Islam traces its roots to Ishmael, son of Abraham and his servant (not his wife Sarah). I admit I am also not thoroughly informed of the details of the islamic faith, but I have read accounts of some who are, and the brutality is astonishing.

I personally tend to lean a little more libertarian when it comes to polite society: you think what you want, believe what you want, pray how you want, worship whomever you want, but keep it to yourself. The minute someone's religion tells them they have to either convert me or kill me, that's when I take issue with it. I think a vast majority of Americans are of a similar mindset.
Do what you need to do, but "This we'll defend".

Remember today's date.

Yes, you are correct. The new testament separated Christians from the Jewish religion.
Hate groups, like the KKK use the old testament to cherry pick their justification because of its brutality.

[Copier Addict]

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These are laws concerning how the Jews should rule themselves in the promised land. They are not in any way directives for killing infidels. I've never heard of Christians using them as such.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but these verses (granted, they are from the old testament) specifically say to kill anyone who dares to worship anything but, what it believes to be, the one true god. Sounds like killing infidels to me.

[slimslob]

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Yes, you are correct. The new testament separated Christians from the Jewish religion.
Hate groups, like the KKK use the old testament to cherry pick their justification because of its brutality.

And they ignore what is in the New Testament. As such they are not Christians as either you or salesserviceguy or both have stated in at least one other thread.

[Copier Addict]

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And they ignore what is in the New Testament. As such they are not Christians as either you or salesserviceguy or both have stated in at least one other thread.

I'm not denying the fact that don't act "Christian", but they self identify as Christian.

[slimslob]

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I'm not denying the fact that don't act "Christian", but they self identify as Christian.

And AntiFa self identifies as being anti fascist when their actions are purely fascist.

[theengel]

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I am not trying to be confrontational, but these verses (granted, they are from the old testament) specifically say to kill anyone who dares to worship anything but, what it believes to be, the one true god. Sounds like killing infidels to me.

No, they don't. They specifically deal with members of their own community. Not "anyone."

Show me where the KKK uses these verses. I'm not saying you're wrong about this, but I've never heard of it.

Some KKK members call themselves Christian. But they are not, they never were, a Christian organization.

If I started sniping other techs, as a way to get rid of competition, and furthered my cause by creating an alliance with Canon, and encouraged Canon to shoot other techs, would you then assume that organized technical positions are bad? It's nonsense to think that way. What if I quoted the famous marketing book "Guerrilla Marketing?" Would you then blame this on marketers? Perhaps even blame it on the companies who promote the book? Or the book itself?

But what if I organized a company, whose sole purpose is to bring everyone into the company, and specifically stated that it was righteous to kill those who aren't in the company? What if, in fact, I even paid people to kill? What if I guaranteed technicians, that if they kill people, and die in the process, I would take care of their families? That would be pretty damning.

I've been around religious fanatics my entire life. I grew up in a grass-roots movement, and in a grass-roots movement, it's always the fringe taking action. People were in and out of my parent's house at all hours. In my entire life, I've only heard one person contemplate violence. This person was a very simple minded human being, who had seen a bombing on TV and thought it was part of our movement. He needed someone to direct him... which everyone did. Religious extremists do not resort to violence unless the religion itself endorses it.

[theengel]

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I'm not even sure how I got on that tirade.

My opening point was that freedom allows for people to do and say stupid things. It's something we have to put up with if we're going to be free. If we give anyone the power to say we can't say stupid things, then we're no longer free. And giving someone your freedom, in my opinion, is foolish. Because eventually, the person or persons in power will not care that people say stupid things. They'll care when people tell the truth.

[gneebore]

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I'm not even sure how I got on that tirade.

My opening point was that freedom allows for people to do and say stupid things. It's something we have to put up with if we're going to be free. If we give anyone the power to say we can't say stupid things, then we're no longer free. And giving someone your freedom, in my opinion, is foolish. Because eventually, the person or persons in power will not care that people say stupid things. They'll care when people tell the truth.

I kind of think we drifted into this line of conversation and just to add to the mix. Anything can be called hate speech by the offended party. Is every white person a member of the KKK just because they disagree with say the policies of affirmative action. The left is now making sure that whatever any conservative says is going to be labelled hate speech. It was the reason for earlier riots in Berkley because a Breibart executive was scheduled to give a speech. There have also been spokesmen that claim the phrase "blue lives matter" is hate speech.



And as a side note even denying the false 97 percent science agreement on global warming is also part of the left's attempt to stifle debate by labeling any opinion that disagrees as hate speech. Yeap saying humans are not the cause of global warming is hate speech.
CLIMATE CHANGE AS HATE SPEECH, DOG WHISTLE, AND PROTECTION RACKET ? The Right Way To Be Green

[TheBlueOrleans]

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Claiming the phrase "blue lives matter" is hate speech is RACIST AGAINST SMURFKIND!

(I know it refers to the support of LEOs, and I agree with the sentiment of the phrase itself, though I'm more partial to "All lives matter... except ISIS. Fuck those guys."

[Ratchet2501]

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In the King James Version of the bible in many locations it talks about "judging someone by the fruits of their labors". In the end I think that applies to a lot of things, from the machines we work on to the groups like antifa (which I'm exhausted with explaining that stupid name). Sorry if that sounds overly religious in reference but I find reason and good advice come from many places.

[gneebore]

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Well here's another doctor that if he were a resident of Canada that would be prosecuted for a hate crime. Seems he classifies transgenderism as a mental disease. So don't let anything like medical opinion be a guide Lock him away for his hateful rhetoric. Oh yes he also has the statistical records to back him up. Oh yes there is the statistic that the suicide rate is 20 times higher among transgendered than non-transgendered persons.
Liberals Furious! Johns Hopkins Chief Psychiatrist: Transgender is a ‘Mental Disorder'

[gneebore]

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And now we have California adding repeated misuse of the wrong pronoun a criminal offense. The sponsor of the bill tries to deny that it would result in anyone being jailed. However there are specific penalties provided for in the language of the bill. For now it appears the law applies to health care workers in rest homes and senior care facilities

Actual language in the law provides for up to 1000 dollar fines and possible kail terms of up to one year in county jail for repeated violations.