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  • NeoMatrix
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    #571
    Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

    Originally posted by bsm2
    {random snip}

    You might know that a man ran into a building with a gun, then a person was shot in the building, and then the man ran out. All this would be evidence he committed the murder, while perhaps falling short of proof. Proof is a very high standard to meet. But evidence of collusion? There’s simply no question that there is evidence. Lots and lots of it.
    Re. Proof.
    You are nearly there.
    Proof alone is not grounding or sufficient. You have to prove "INTENT" beyond reasonable doubt.

    Examples of willing/wilful Intent...
    Did the man with the gun have a plastic toy water pistol? His "intent" would be humours trick-or-treat.
    Did the man enter the building running from a mob trying to kill him? His "intent" would be self defence.
    Did the man run into the building to kill terrorist insurgence? The "intent" would be hero/martyrdom/suicide.
    Did the man run into the building to kill his cancerous brother,so his brothers family could receive insurance. His "intent" would be love.

    Given the above "intent" examples:
    Based on "proof alone" how would you sentence the man with the gun to a prison term?
    Based on "intent" how would a jury sentence the same man to a prison term.
    Last edited by NeoMatrix; 05-03-2018, 12:01 AM.
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    • Copier Addict
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      #572
      Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

      Originally posted by NeoMatrix
      Re. Proof.
      You are nearly there.
      Proof alone is not grounding or sufficient. You have to prove "INTENT" beyond reasonable doubt.

      Examples of willing/wilful Intent...
      Did the man with the gun have a plastic toy water pistol? His "intent" would be humours trick-or-treat.
      Did the man enter the building running from a mob trying to kill him? His "intent" would be self defence.
      Did the man run into the building to kill terrorist insurgence? The "intent" would be hero/martyrdom/suicide.
      Did the man run into the building to kill his cancerous brother,so his brothers family could receive insurance. His "intent" would be love.

      Given the above "intent" examples:
      Based on "proof alone" how would you sentence the man with the gun to a prison term?
      Based on "intent" how would a jury sentence the same man to a prison term.
      In bsm2's statement, collusion is the intent. So, as he said, proving the collusion is difficult. Especially since if there was collusion trump and the gang would simply lie about it.

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      • NeoMatrix
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        #573
        Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

        Originally posted by copier addict
        In bsm2's statement, collusion is the intent. So, as he said, proving the collusion is difficult. Especially since if there was collusion trump and the gang would simply lie about it.
        Two or more sporting teams play against each other every single day. Those same teams conspire/collude to bring down the other sporting team with skill,pain an sometimes humiliation after defeat. Those given team members conspire within the group to organise a strategy or method of dominance over other teams. What is the true "intent" of those conspiring within those sporting groups? Does society morally accept those sporting teams and their methods of "intent" to dominate? It appears society accepts most sporting teams collusion with intent to dominate within the rules of a given sport. The "intent" of sports to conspire/collude to dominate is an accepted normal by our moral society.

        Concluding:
        The act of collusion/conspiring is driven or motivated by the rules of positive or negative "intent".
        "Intent" is the morally acceptable act propagated by/within the individual,conspiring or colluding group.

        """What is the true intent of the individual or group.....?"""

        Does the socially moral belief system fit within the (sometimes very grey area) actions or results of the colluding group?

        Collusion or otherwise, it still comes down to positive or negative "INTENT".
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        • Santander
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          #574
          Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

          You state there is sooo much evidence of collusion! State the facts of your claim! What is the evidence? Just more group think hysteria that because Trump won the election that there must have been collusion. After 18 months of investigation do you not think that if there was any collusion they would have found it by now? Yet they have not! You claim that stringent proof of collusion is not relevant, that goes against all codes of the law. According to your way of thinking just because an accusation is made without any "proof" it must be true. This reminds me of the French revolution in the 1790's where just an accusation no proof, resulted in your head being cut off!

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          • Phil B.
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            #575
            Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

            Originally posted by NeoMatrix
            Re. Proof.
            You are nearly there.
            Proof alone is not grounding or sufficient. You have to prove "INTENT" beyond reasonable doubt.
            Examples of willing/wilful Intent...
            Did the man with the gun have a plastic toy water pistol? His "intent" would be humours trick-or-treat.
            Did the man enter the building running from a mob trying to kill him? His "intent" would be self defence.
            Did the man run into the building to kill terrorist insurgence? The "intent" would be hero/martyrdom/suicide.
            Did the man run into the building to kill his cancerous brother,so his brothers family could receive insurance. His "intent" would be love.
            Given the above "intent" examples:
            Based on "proof alone" how would you sentence the man with the gun to a prison term?
            Based on "intent" how would a jury sentence the same man to a prison term.
            that is EXACTLY -=WHY=- Comey said he didn't see " INTENT " in the the statements that Hillary ( not under oath ) and the reason that Hillary declared Mills's and Samuelson her ' lawyers ' ..(client/attorney priv).

            BUT let DJT even TRY to MENTION that.... OHFN!

            but as far as 'hacked emails' maybe they should make ALL gov't workers go thru a 3hr training for the company like I did, re: EMAILS... How to spot a SCAM/Virus/Phishing message!

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            • bsm2
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              #576
              Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

              Originally posted by Santander
              You state there is sooo much evidence of collusion! State the facts of your claim! What is the evidence? Just more group think hysteria that because Trump won the election that there must have been collusion. After 18 months of investigation do you not think that if there was any collusion they would have found it by now? Yet they have not! You claim that stringent proof of collusion is not relevant, that goes against all codes of the law. According to your way of thinking just because an accusation is made without any "proof" it must be true. This reminds me of the French revolution in the 1790's where just an accusation no proof, resulted in your head being cut off!

              Reading is required Remember NO RUSSIAN MEETINGS OOOPS
              SOON VERY SOON TICK TOCK

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              • Phil B.
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                #577
                Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                Originally posted by Santander
                You state there is sooo much evidence of collusion! State the facts of your claim! What is the evidence? Just more group think hysteria that because Trump won the election that there must have been collusion. After 18 months of investigation do you not think that if there was any collusion they would have found it by now? Yet they have not! You claim that stringent proof of collusion is not relevant, that goes against all codes of the law. According to your way of thinking just because an accusation is made without any "proof" it must be true. This reminds me of the French revolution in the 1790's where just an accusation no proof, resulted in your head being cut off!
                No! they DO think there is collusion!!!
                NO ONE has brought PROOF ( other than that DEBUNKED Dossier ! BTW there is ANOTHER one on the way! LOMFL ) of collusion ..and NOW they want to go back 10-15-20-30 years to MANUFACTURE something against him. The MORE they dig..the more dirt they dig up on the Dems... ( kinda refreshing! )

                wonder how they would feel if we dug that deep, that far back on say Obama ( ayers/dohrn ) or the Clintons ( too many to mention ) or hell let's even go with Pelosi/Reid/Franken/Feinstien ect ect ect.

                no one is PERFECT but MOST congressmen(people) enter 'broke' and exit (decades later) multimillionaires ( on 175k a YEAR! working only 1/2 of the calendar days )

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                • Phil B.
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                  #578
                  Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                  Originally posted by NeoMatrix
                  Two or more sporting teams play against each other every single day. Those same teams conspire/collude to bring down the other sporting team with skill,pain an sometimes humiliation after defeat. Those given team members conspire within the group to organise a strategy or method of dominance over other teams. What is the true "intent" of those conspiring within those sporting groups? Does society morally accept those sporting teams and their methods of "intent" to dominate? It appears society accepts most sporting teams collusion with intent to dominate within the rules of a given sport. The "intent" of sports to conspire/collude to dominate is an accepted normal by our moral society.
                  Concluding:
                  The act of collusion/conspiring is driven or motivated by the rules of positive or negative "intent".
                  "Intent" is the morally acceptable act propagated by/within the individual,conspiring or colluding group.
                  """What is the true intent of the individual or group.....?"""
                  Does the socially moral belief system fit within the (sometimes very grey area) actions or results of the colluding group?
                  Collusion or otherwise, it still comes down to positive or negative "INTENT".
                  what you state might be true.
                  the BIG thing is, there is no LAW in the American Constitution that says COLLUSION is criminal. Like you stated EVERYONE does it.

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    #579
                    Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                    Originally posted by Santander
                    You state there is sooo much evidence of collusion! State the facts of your claim! What is the evidence? Just more group think hysteria that because Trump won the election that there must have been collusion. After 18 months of investigation do you not think that if there was any collusion they would have found it by now? Yet they have not! You claim that stringent proof of collusion is not relevant, that goes against all codes of the law. According to your way of thinking just because an accusation is made without any "proof" it must be true. This reminds me of the French revolution in the 1790's where just an accusation no proof, resulted in your head being cut off!
                    I seem to recall the Republican party harassed Hillary Clinton for 2.5 years over Benghazi! End result nada, nothing but the Republicans kept
                    the story alive well past when it should have been buried.

                    The Russian collusion story = Benghazi 2.0

                    Sometimes the flip side can be a bitch!

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                    • bsm2
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                      #580
                      Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                      Originally posted by Phil B.
                      what you state might be true.
                      the BIG thing is, there is no LAW in the American Constitution that says COLLUSION is criminal. Like you stated EVERYONE does it.

                      Glad your not My Lawyer

                      Collusion Law and Legal Definition
                      Collusion occurs when two persons or representatives of an entity or organization make an agreement to deceive or mislead another. Such agreements are usually secretive, and involve fraud or gaining an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or others with whom they are negotiating. The collusion, therefore, makes the bargaining process inherently unfair. Collusion can involve price or wage fixing, kickbacks, or misrepresenting the independence of the relationship betweeen the colluding parties.



                      A potentially applicable criminal law is 52 U.S.C. 30121, which governs campaign contributions by foreign nationals. It makes it a crime for a foreign national to make a “contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” to a campaign -- and a crime for an American to “solicit, accept, or receive” such a contribution.

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                      • Phil B.
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                        #581
                        Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                        Originally posted by bsm2
                        Reading is required Remember NO RUSSIAN MEETINGS OOOPS
                        SOON VERY SOON TICK TOCK
                        https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/hous...ged-probe.html

                        Republican-led House panel says no evidence Trump colluded with Russia | US news | The Guardian

                        meetings OR collusion? Remember even Franken met with russians

                        Franken: Sessions Lied to Congress About Russia Meeting - NBC News OMFG! -=AND=- HE LIED TO CONGRESS? nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

                        hmmmmm....
                        Biden's son Hunter made deal with Bank of China during father's trip | Daily Mail Online Oh never mind this was with CHINA not Russia! My bad

                        Feinstein, Husband Hold Strong China Connections - latimes Not Dianne too!?

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                        • bsm2
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                          #582
                          Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email


                          DUPED AGAIN by the Right WING OH NO!!!!!!! Wait for it, Wait for it , blame OBAMA No Clinton

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                          • Phil B.
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                            #583
                            Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                            Originally posted by bsm2
                            DUPED AGAIN
                            HAHAHAHAHA i picked those reports because they are EITHER liberal or foreign sources !

                            WHO IS DUPED NOW? you told us to READ... I read them..and you still sound misled

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                            • bsm2
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                              #584
                              Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                              There is So Much Evidence of Trump’s Collusion with Russia


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                              • theengel
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                                #585
                                Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                                Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                                I seem to recall the Republican party harassed Hillary Clinton for 2.5 years over Benghazi! End result nada, nothing but the Republicans kept
                                the story alive well past when it should have been buried.

                                The Russian collusion story = Benghazi 2.0

                                Sometimes the flip side can be a bitch!
                                You are, without doubt, the biggest turd ever. BSM is a simpleton, who knows only rhetoric and whose cut and past powers got a little ahead of him. But you--you're a sad excuse for a waste of skin.

                                People died in Benghazi. Brave Americans gave their lives to save others. Hilary's lies about what happened, and the political maneuvering afterwards, are why the story is still alive, and why it will never die.

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