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  • Phil B.
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    #1756
    Re: Let the truth be known

    WHO Spokesman Shuts Down Claims from Left That Trump Rejected Coronavirus Tests




    Lawmakers in Congress wanted answers out of the Trump administration this week as to why they didn’t use a coronavirus test from the World Health Organization instead of developing their own — a Centers for Disease Control test which had a fault in it.
    At Sunday’s Democratic presidential primary debate, former Vice President Joe Biden even said that WHO COVID-19 test kits were offered and refused by the administration.

    “Look, the World Health Organization offered the testing kits that they have available and to give it to us now. We refused them. We did not want to buy them. We did not want to get them from them. We wanted to make sure we had our own,” Biden said.
    According to PolitiFact, which rated the claim “Mostly False,” Biden’s campaign directed them to an article from Politico which said that almost 60 countries had received coronavirus testing kits by the end of February but that the United States was not among them. Accurate, but as PolitiFact noted, “countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States.”
    And indeed, that’s what happened.

    “No discussions occurred between WHO and the CDC about providing tests to the United States, WHO spokesperson Tarik Jasarevic told CNN on Tuesday, and WHO did not offer coronavirus tests to the CDC,” CNN reported.
    “The United States, Jasarevic confirmed, doesn’t ordinarily rely on WHO for tests because the U.S. typically has the capacity to manufacture its own diagnostics.”

    Now, before we go on, let’s make something abundantly clear: Joe Biden did know or should have known this before he made the claim on Sunday.
    This is a man who’s spent almost half a century in politics at this point. He spent eight years as vice president. If he didn’t know the CDC’s capacity to manufacture its own diagnostics, we need to ask some more questions about the Democratic presidential frontrunner.

    Trump administration officials, meanwhile, also said that WHO’s test — which was modeled after a German test developed shortly after Chinese scientists sequenced and released the genome of the disease — wasn’t offered to them.
    “No one ever offered a test that we refused,” said Adm. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health at the Department of Health and Human Services, according to The Hill.
    “This was a research-grade test that was not approved, not submitted to the [Food and Drug Administration] … there was a small number that we have greatly surpassed in a very short period of time.”

    The State Department’s Deborah Birx, who is the White House coronavirus response coordinator, says that while the CDC may have stumbled in their introduction of the test, it will end up being more effective than WHO’s, saying that the rigors of increased testing have delayed the tests.
    “We were adamant about having a high quality test based on our commercial vendors,” she said.

    “Over the next few months you’ll begin to see that other tests that were utilized around the world were not of the same quality, resulting in false positives and potentially false negatives.”
    The president echoed those thoughts.

    “So number one, nothing was offered, number two, it was a bad test. Otherwise, it was wonderful,” he said.
    As for Joe Biden? “I assume he’ll apologize,” Trump added.
    But probably not, and that’s the real issue. A lie of that magnitude should be called out when we’re in the midst of a national emergency. No such calling-out has happened, not of this hour and likely not of any hour before Donald Trump stops being president.
    Like so much else in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO test is being used as a political cudgel to whack away at the other side. Turns out WHO never offered the test? Treat it like a broken weapon in a video game: Discard it and pick another one.

    TRUMPPENCE2020

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    • bsm2
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      #1757
      Re: Let the truth be known

      Originally posted by Phil B.
      WHO Spokesman Shuts Down Claims from Left That Trump Rejected Coronavirus Tests




      Lawmakers in Congress wanted answers out of the Trump administration this week as to why they didn’t use a coronavirus test from the World Health Organization instead of developing their own — a Centers for Disease Control test which had a fault in it.
      At Sunday’s Democratic presidential primary debate, former Vice President Joe Biden even said that WHO COVID-19 test kits were offered and refused by the administration.

      “Look, the World Health Organization offered the testing kits that they have available and to give it to us now. We refused them. We did not want to buy them. We did not want to get them from them. We wanted to make sure we had our own,” Biden said.
      According to PolitiFact, which rated the claim “Mostly False,” Biden’s campaign directed them to an article from Politico which said that almost 60 countries had received coronavirus testing kits by the end of February but that the United States was not among them. Accurate, but as PolitiFact noted, “countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States.”
      And indeed, that’s what happened.

      “No discussions occurred between WHO and the CDC about providing tests to the United States, WHO spokesperson Tarik Jasarevic told CNN on Tuesday, and WHO did not offer coronavirus tests to the CDC,” CNN reported.
      “The United States, Jasarevic confirmed, doesn’t ordinarily rely on WHO for tests because the U.S. typically has the capacity to manufacture its own diagnostics.”

      Now, before we go on, let’s make something abundantly clear: Joe Biden did know or should have known this before he made the claim on Sunday.
      This is a man who’s spent almost half a century in politics at this point. He spent eight years as vice president. If he didn’t know the CDC’s capacity to manufacture its own diagnostics, we need to ask some more questions about the Democratic presidential frontrunner.

      Trump administration officials, meanwhile, also said that WHO’s test — which was modeled after a German test developed shortly after Chinese scientists sequenced and released the genome of the disease — wasn’t offered to them.
      “No one ever offered a test that we refused,” said Adm. Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health at the Department of Health and Human Services, according to The Hill.
      “This was a research-grade test that was not approved, not submitted to the [Food and Drug Administration] … there was a small number that we have greatly surpassed in a very short period of time.”

      The State Department’s Deborah Birx, who is the White House coronavirus response coordinator, says that while the CDC may have stumbled in their introduction of the test, it will end up being more effective than WHO’s, saying that the rigors of increased testing have delayed the tests.
      “We were adamant about having a high quality test based on our commercial vendors,” she said.

      “Over the next few months you’ll begin to see that other tests that were utilized around the world were not of the same quality, resulting in false positives and potentially false negatives.”
      The president echoed those thoughts.

      “So number one, nothing was offered, number two, it was a bad test. Otherwise, it was wonderful,” he said.
      As for Joe Biden? “I assume he’ll apologize,” Trump added.
      But probably not, and that’s the real issue. A lie of that magnitude should be called out when we’re in the midst of a national emergency. No such calling-out has happened, not of this hour and likely not of any hour before Donald Trump stops being president.
      Like so much else in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO test is being used as a political cudgel to whack away at the other side. Turns out WHO never offered the test? Treat it like a broken weapon in a video game: Discard it and pick another one.

      TRUMPKILLS2020
      That's odd South Korean has been using the WHO test for Month's and tests 15,000 plus people a day. As well as many other countries around the world. As the President went around the US claiming that the Virus that is now killing American's was a HOAX!

      On Saturday Jan. 11 — a month and a half before the first Covid-19 case not linked to travel was diagnosed in the United States — Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease. Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries. The United States was not among them.

      TRUMPS
      FAILURE2020
      Last edited by bsm2; 03-18-2020, 11:56 PM.

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      • SalesServiceGuy
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        #1758
        Re: Let the truth be known

        Originally posted by Phil B.
        GOP & Dems Both Astounded After CNN's Dana Bash Raves About Trump's Recent Leadership


        Heads are spinning after CNN’s coverage of President Donald Trump’s response to the spread of the coronavirus pandemic — and for reasons that are somewhat astounding.
        Dana Bash, CNN’s chief political correspondent, was complimentary of Trump after his White House media briefing on Tuesday.

        Bash surprised both Democrats and Republicans when she did the unthinkable on Tuesday:
        She praised the president for “being the kind of leader that people need” during the country’s coronavirus crisis.
        While hot takes and cheap shots are common from CNN’s coverage of anything relating to Trump, Bash went off the reservation, and some people don’t seem to know what to make of it.

        During a discussion about Trump’s media briefing earlier in the day, Bash lauded the president for his leadership.
        “This was remarkable from the president of the United States. This is a nonpartisan — this is an important thing to note, and to applaud from an American standpoint — from a human standpoint,” Bash said.

        “He is being the kind of leader that people need, at least in tone, today, and yesterday, in a tone that people need and want and yearn for in times of crisis and uncertainty,” she continued.
        “It is so important to hear him strike that tone of calm, and of understanding of how incredibly dire this is,” Bash added.
        Bash further praised Trump for his specific answers on the logistical issues of moving important medical equipment and other goods around the country by involving the private sector.
        Dana Bash should have been gone a long time ago. SMH
        — Catherine Perrin (@Wonder_Woman53) March 18, 2020
        @CNN Fire Dana Bash. Send her home w/o pay.
        — Em get off your damn phone (@mz_howard_) March 17, 2020
        @CNN @DanaBashCNN ‘s apologies for trump are intolerable. This is airbrushing history, not journalism. Fire Dana Bash!
        — Clara Luz (@BaseSpace2) March 17, 2020
        The CNN correspondent refused to back down from her praise of the president and expounded on her comments in a tweet Tuesday.
        “As I said in the clip you posted below, this is a moment to be non-partisan, American and human – & the TONE the president set at today & yesterday’s PRESSERS were remarkably different and welcomed. That’s a fact. Let’s all take a breath and remember we are all in this together,” she wrote.
        As I said in the clip you posted below, this is a moment to be non-partisan, American and human – & the TONE the president set at today & yesterday’s PRESSERS were remarkably different and welcomed. That’s a fact. Let’s all take a breath and remember we are all in this together. https://t.co/bx9uLuvkOI
        — Dana Bash (@DanaBashCNN) March 17, 2020
        To be clear .@SecretsBedard – I said what he did at his presser today and yesterday is the kind of leadership in tone people need. It is important to say that, just as it was important to call him out on the way he largely and dangerously downplayed it until yesterday. https://t.co/LYigsgndWH
        — Dana Bash (@DanaBashCNN) March 17, 2020


        A number of conservatives also shared their shock at Bash’s comments:
        Praise for Trump on CNN? Wow.
        Dana Bash: President Trump “is being the kind of leader that people need.. in times of crisis and uncertainty.”
        pic.twitter.com/1rEWoYh9lK
        — Benny (@bennyjohnson) March 17, 2020
        Wow:
        President Trump is leading America through this crisis—so much so that even @CNN’s Dana Bash recognizes it
        Credit where credit is due
        Maybe now the rest of the mainstream media can come together and help the president get us through this
        ��
        pic.twitter.com/nzJzVV4y3h
        — Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) March 18, 2020

        TRUMPPENCE2020
        I applaud President Trump's recent actions and outward appearance in the media. For the first time he appears Presidential.

        President Trump's rhetoric has definitely been better in the last few days but where are the actions?

        I still think he is crazy and maybe reckless to propose to give every US citizen except millionaires $1,000.00 but these are strange times for the next many months. The National debt will explode!
        Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 03-19-2020, 01:16 AM.

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        • bsm2
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          #1759
          Re: Let the truth be known

          WOW a real Plan
          The Biden Plan to Combat Coronavirus (COVID-19) and Prepare for Future Global Health Threats – Joe Biden for President

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          • bsm2
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            #1760
            Re: Let the truth be known

            Seems so odd that two weeks I still had plans to go on Cruises,
            I still had plans go to Busch Gardens, Adventures Island, Seaworld Orlando and have fun
            I still had plans to go to my favorite restaurants to eat
            I still had plans to go shopping
            I still had plans to go too the beach
            I still had plans to go to the gym
            I Still had plans

            Now I worry if my wife and I will survive this crisis.


            TRUTH

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            • Phil B.
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              #1761
              Re: Let the truth be known

              INSIDER TRADING .. At one time they couldn't be involved until they themselves removed that rule.

              Dianne Feinstein, 3 more senators accused of dumping major holdings before stock market plunge



              Feinstein and her husband reportedly sold between $1.5 million and $6 million in stock in Allogene Therapeutics, a California biotech company. Those transactions occurred between Jan. 31 and Feb. 18, The New York Times reported.
              Inhofe sold stock in PayPal, Apple and Brookfield Asset Management, valued at nearly $400,000 on one day, Jan. 27, disclosure records indicated. Other reports also surfaced about Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin who sold over $5 million of stock, though it was later reported that it was related to a family business.Loeffler reportedly sold stock worth millions of dollars starting on Jan. 24, the same day the Georgia lawmaker tweetedA spokesman for Feinstein also claimed she was not involved in the decision to sell the stocks.






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              • Copier Addict
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                #1762
                Re: Let the truth be known

                Originally posted by Phil B.
                INSIDER TRADING .. At one time they couldn't be involved until they themselves removed that rule.

                Dianne Feinstein, 3 more senators accused of dumping major holdings before stock market plunge


                Feinstein and her husband reportedly sold between $1.5 million and $6 million in stock in Allogene Therapeutics, a California biotech company. Those transactions occurred between Jan. 31 and Feb. 18, The New York Times reported.
                Inhofe sold stock in PayPal, Apple and Brookfield Asset Management, valued at nearly $400,000 on one day, Jan. 27, disclosure records indicated. Other reports also surfaced about Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin who sold over $5 million of stock, though it was later reported that it was related to a family business.Loeffler reportedly sold stock worth millions of dollars starting on Jan. 24, the same day the Georgia lawmaker tweetedA spokesman for Feinstein also claimed she was not involved in the decision to sell the stocks.







                Just more proof that ALL politicians are disgusting bottom feeders only out for themselves and their rich friends.

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                • Phil B.
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                  #1763
                  Re: Let the truth be known

                  Originally posted by copier addict
                  Just more proof that ALL politicians are disgusting bottom feeders only out for themselves and their rich friends.
                  we're working on getting Thomi Tillis and Dickie Burr out... looking good for this election cycle. Both R (NC)

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                  • bsm2
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                    #1764
                    Re: Let the truth be known

                    The Epic Failure of Coronavirus Testing in America
                    China and South Korea offer lessons in how to curb this pandemic.

                    By The Editorial Board
                    The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

                    March 19, 2020



                    Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
                    The World Health Organization, for weeks now, has been making an emphatic plea to countries around the world: Social distancing is crucial to stopping the spread of coronavirus, but it is only half of the equation. To suppress and control a pandemic of this magnitude, countries also must find and isolate every person infected with Covid-19 — including those with mild cases of the disease who don’t turn up in doctor’s offices or hospitals.

                    For just as long, however, officials in the United States have said something very different: If you suspect you’re infected, stay home. Even those who live in close quarters with someone who faces a higher risk of becoming severely ill or dying from the infection, have been discouraged from seeking testing unless they are having difficulty breathing.

                    There are valid if dismaying reasons for this guidance. A string of failures at the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have led to intractable delays in making diagnostic tests for coronavirus widely available in the United States. The same failures have sown confusion about where and how to get tests and have forced clinicians to make tough choices about how to ration the tests that are available.

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                    • bsm2
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                      #1765
                      Re: Let the truth be known

                      Trump finally LOSES IT in meltdown over basic question from reporter



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                      • bsm2
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                        #1766
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                        • FrohnB
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                          #1767
                          Re: Let the truth be known

                          Originally posted by bsm2
                          Trump finally LOSES IT in meltdown over basic question from reporter



                          Omertà

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                          • bsm2
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                            #1768
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                            Originally posted by FrohnB
                            He didn’t “finally lose it”, he’s said these things before to shit reporters!
                            When Alexander asked him a “fear-stoking” question about the public, Trump told him off!
                            The public doesn’t need that kind of fear-mongering, panic-inducing, terrible reporting.



                            TRUMPKills2020

                            Look at Trump face when he reports the numbers! The question was a softball all he had to say Is America has face many challenges, every resource of the Federal Government is working 24/7 to manage this crisis. Listen to CDC guidelines, stay home if your not in a mission critical job. We are taking steps to expand testing in all states and getting the needed supplies to the hardest hit states.

                            That's what a President Should say!

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                            • Copier Addict
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                              #1769
                              Re: Let the truth be known

                              All dondon has to do is be honest. He is, however incapable of telling the truth.
                              He is continuing to lie about there being a treatment for covid 19 and about testing supplies.

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                              • jmaister
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                                #1770
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                                came across this today...


                                ― Atticus


                                nuff said.

                                Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.

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