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Oh No a really Study

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

How well do face masks protect against COVID-19?

Get answers to your questions about face masks, including how to use them properly.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

Can face masks help slow the spread of the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?
Yes. When used with measures such as getting vaccinated, hand-washing and physical distancing, wearing a face mask slows how quickly the virus that causes COVID-19 spreads.


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends wearing masks if you choose to, and in specific places and situations.
In areas that have many people with COVID-19 in the hospital, the CDC recommends wearing a face mask indoors in public.
The CDC says that you should wear the most protective mask that you'll wear regularly, fits well and is comfortable.
Respirators such as nonsurgical N95s give the most protection. KN95s and medical masks provide the next highest level of protection. Cloth masks provide less protection. The CDC says that surgical N95 masks should be reserved for health care professionals.
Masking suggestions are a bit different for people at higher risk of serious illness. This includes people with risk factors such as older age. It also includes people with weakened immune systems and those who live with or care for someone with these risk factors.
For people at high risk, the CDC suggests you wear a mask that provides you with the most protection possible. Wear a mask while in public indoor spaces when your area has a high number of people with COVID-19 in the hospital.
Check with your doctor to talk about when to wear a mask at other times.

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Yep all the Hospitals and Doctors offices are wasting there money.

[BillyCarpenter]

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"Authors' conclusions
The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children."

Are you denying this, that came directly from the study you are pinning all your hopes on?

Of course not. But you're spinning that to try to say that this study doesn't prove much of anything. You, sir, are not an expert. Far from it. On the other hand, Tom Jefferson is the leading expert and he says this. Who should we believe, you or him?


“There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” -Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist








But, wait, hold on. What about N-95 masks, as opposed to lower-quality surgical or cloth masks?




“Makes no difference — none of it,” said Jefferson


What about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose mask mandates?


“They were convinced by nonrandomized studies, flawed observational studies.” - Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist

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The person in charge of the study was very clear. His name is Tom Jefferson. Are you saying that's he's lying or wrong?

"Authors' conclusions
The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children."

Are you denying this, that came directly from the study you are pinning all your hopes on?

[BillyCarpenter]

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Haha.
Try admitting the study concludes that it's difficult to draw any conclusions from the study.
Until then, move along sonny

The person in charge of the study was very clear. His name is Tom Jefferson. Are you saying that's he's lying or wrong?

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It's the same study. Your goal is to discredit me but it's not me that you need to worry about if you want to prove that masks work. No sir. Try disproving Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist

Haha.
Try admitting the study concludes that it's difficult to draw any conclusions from the study.
Until then, move along sonny

[BillyCarpenter]

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Now all of a sudden we're talking about a different study.
Typical gaslighting.

Unfortunately you have trouble admitting that the first study you posted clearly stated it was difficult to draw any conclusions from said study.

Can you admit it? I say no

It's the same study. Your goal is to discredit me but it's not me that you need to worry about if you want to prove that masks work. No sir. Try disproving Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist

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You're a silly man that can't admit that you were ever wrong.



Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist




But, wait, hold on. What about N-95 masks, as opposed to lower-quality surgical or cloth masks?


What about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose mask mandates?

Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist

Now all of a sudden we're talking about a different study.
Typical gaslighting.

Unfortunately you have trouble admitting that the first study you posted clearly stated it was difficult to draw any conclusions from said study.

Can you admit it? I say no

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You're a silly man that can't admit that you were ever wrong.



“There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” -Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist




But, wait, hold on. What about N-95 masks, as opposed to lower-quality surgical or cloth masks?


“Makes no difference — none of it,” said Jefferson

What about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose mask mandates?

“They were convinced by nonrandomized studies, flawed observational studies.” - Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist

You must feel like a FOOL for wearing ONE

Hilarious

You must believe in Climate Change now

And Trump's a Crook

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I find it very curious that some folks used past studies to try to convince us that masks work. But now that the most compressive study has said those studies were flawed and that masks don't work, they ignore it. Interesting.

The truth does not fit their political talking points.

[BillyCarpenter]

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I find it interesting that someone will post a study without reading to the end and then simply use the information that agrees with their biases to try to make a point.

You're a silly man that can't admit that you were ever wrong.



“There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” -Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist




But, wait, hold on. What about N-95 masks, as opposed to lower-quality surgical or cloth masks?


“Makes no difference — none of it,” said Jefferson

What about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose mask mandates?

“They were convinced by nonrandomized studies, flawed observational studies.” - Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist

Tom Jefferson



Dr. Tom Jefferson is a Senior Associate Tutor at the University of Oxford, a former researcher at the Nordic Cochrane Centre and a former scientific coordinator for the production of HTA reports on non-pharmaceuticals for Agenas, the Italian National Agency for Regional Healthcare.

Medically Trained Epidemiologist with Extensive Experience of HTA and Handling Huge Datasets


Including regulatory dossiers, clinical data synthesis, systematic reviews, health economics studies, meta-analysis within medical devices and pharmaceutical companies. Have carried out health economics modelling and scholarly work in the past and have a firm grip of regulatory processes in EU. Member of Cochrane and EUNeHTA.

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I find it interesting that someone will post a study without reading to the end and then simply use the information that agrees with their biases to try to make a point.

[BillyCarpenter]

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I find it very curious that some folks used past studies to try to convince us that masks work. But now that the most compressive study has said those studies were flawed and that masks don't work, they ignore it. Interesting.

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You are safest outdoors, so why did they impose lockdowns, surely lockdowns increase the chance of spreading something.

Lockdowns were a psychological experiment, you can read about it here.

COVID lockdown is world's biggest psychological experiment | World Economic Forum

Sorry, I'm not a rabbit hole kinda guy.
Nobody stopped people from going outside during lockdown. They just didn't want people gathering in groups while outside. There is a distinction there.

[Tricky]

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Same here. You don't see many wearing masks anymore. Still see the odd one walking down the street wearing one though. I never understood the reasoning behind that. Outside is where you are safest from airborne viruses.

You are safest outdoors, so why did they impose lockdowns, surely lockdowns increase the chance of spreading something.

Lockdowns were a psychological experiment, you can read about it here.

COVID lockdown is world's biggest psychological experiment | World Economic Forum