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  • FrohnB
    Service Manager

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    • Jul 2017
    • 1919

    #7681
    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

    Originally posted by copier addict
    Didn't think so. Besides, if everyone learned a skill and earned a higher wage, who would you look down on.
    Is that why you dislike a higher minimum wage? You wouldn't be able to pretend you are better than lower wage earners.


    Problem with your statement is that not everyone wants to "learn a skill to earn a higher wage".....they want to do the bare minimum with very little responsibility and expect that they will get a raise year after year for doing the same shit. I know a guy from high school here in my town that started as a Host (the person that seats people) at an Applebee's restaurant 13 YEARS AGO, and is still doing that SAME JOB (he is 34 years old). His raises have been "maxed out" because he has no added responsibility or skills, but he's fine with making $12.00/hr for the past 7-8 years because it's enough to pay for his "lifestyle" (no kids, no wife, lives with his brother, minimal loans/ credit, no college), in other words.......LAZY!

    On the other hand, there are people like myself that started at $8.00/hr (as an office supply delivery guy), and learned things like our Point of Sales system and our inventory software, which allowed me to receive a substantial raise for that position. Then I went on to learn all about the office furniture we sell, and was quickly promoted to a Furniture installer with another raise. I continued to push myself to get better, and even created things like our "in-store calendar" that all the sales people, installers, warehouse people, and managers could log into to see what the delivery guys were doing on certain days between all of our locations (there was always double booking and lack of communication before this). Another raise quickly followed. Shortly after that, i was promoted to Install Manager where I learned the full scope of everything furniture related (CAD drawings, pricing, setups, repairs, going to HON and AllSteel classes, scheduling, etc)....guess what....another raise! Not long after that, I decided, with some goading by my uncle (the service manager), that I wanted to move over to the service department. Right off the bat, went to a half dozen Ricoh "instructor led training" sessions, and did hundreds of hours of online training, and jumped right into the field! You guessed it! Another Raise! After a year of proving that I can do the job and do it well, another raise came my way. After another year of Killing it and receiving great reviews, and hundreds more hours of in person learning and online training......BINGO......Another raise (a pretty good one!). During this time I was also learning the new EAutomate software we acquired, and learned how to fix numerous other devices like typewriters, timeclocks, adding machines, cash registers, shredders, folding machines, inserters, phone systems, computers, etc., along with networking skills......Who would've guessed it........A Big Ol' Fat Raise! Now I'm adding A Business Administration degree to my collection, and have been learning the Administrative side of things in our software and our company, and have added a TON more responsibility in my new role as Service Manager (managing multiple store locations' service departments, and the technicians at each location). Dare I say it?..........ANOTHER RAISE! LOL.
    This has allowed me to live the lifestyle I want over the past 13 years (unlike my buddy "the host").

    Even at $8.00 - $10.00/ hr I was able to raise my 1st kid, rent a house, buy my first truck (still have it), raise two dogs, support my wife's needs (she's a "homemaker"), and my "needs" (Beer), and still had a little to spare.
    Now days, making what I make, after all the effort and the hard work I've put in......I comfortably support my wife's needs (still a homemaker), raise 3 kids, 3 dogs, a cat, bought a house, bought a couple other vehicles, a camper, a river vacation spot, many motorcycles, 4-wheelers, fishing gear, a boat, jet skis, savings accounts for my kids, paying for college classes for my wife and myself, vacations, BEER! etc. etc. All because I applied myself and wasn't some lazy piece of shit who expects a handout!

    But, not everyone has that kind of work ethic or willingness to learn. That's where the problem is!
    They are called "unskilled labor jobs" for a reason and the pay reflects that......it doesn't take any skill to flip a burger, or tape a box closed, or pull product off of an assembly line, or seat people at a restaurant!
    Anyone who thinks they deserve more pay for something that a toddler can do, is just plain delusional and downright Stupid! It's not about "looking down on someone" as you say, it's about making people EARN their pay! And a lot of people just don't want to earn it! They want it handed to them. Fuck those People.
    Omertà

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    • Copier Addict
      Aging Tech

      Site Contributor
      10,000+ Posts
      • Jul 2013
      • 14400

      #7682
      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

      Originally posted by FrohnB
      Problem with your statement is that not everyone wants to "learn a skill to earn a higher wage".....they want to do the bare minimum with very little responsibility and expect that they will get a raise year after year for doing the same shit. I know a guy from high school here in my town that started as a Host (the person that seats people) at an Applebee's restaurant 13 YEARS AGO, and is still doing that SAME JOB (he is 34 years old). His raises have been "maxed out" because he has no added responsibility or skills, but he's fine with making $12.00/hr for the past 7-8 years because it's enough to pay for his "lifestyle" (no kids, no wife, lives with his brother, minimal loans/ credit, no college), in other words.......LAZY!

      On the other hand, there are people like myself that started at $8.00/hr (as an office supply delivery guy), and learned things like our Point of Sales system and our inventory software, which allowed me to receive a substantial raise for that position. Then I went on to learn all about the office furniture we sell, and was quickly promoted to a Furniture installer with another raise. I continued to push myself to get better, and even created things like our "in-store calendar" that all the sales people, installers, warehouse people, and managers could log into to see what the delivery guys were doing on certain days between all of our locations (there was always double booking and lack of communication before this). Another raise quickly followed. Shortly after that, i was promoted to Install Manager where I learned the full scope of everything furniture related (CAD drawings, pricing, setups, repairs, going to HON and AllSteel classes, scheduling, etc)....guess what....another raise! Not long after that, I decided, with some goading by my uncle (the service manager), that I wanted to move over to the service department. Right off the bat, went to a half dozen Ricoh "instructor led training" sessions, and did hundreds of hours of online training, and jumped right into the field! You guessed it! Another Raise! After a year of proving that I can do the job and do it well, another raise came my way. After another year of Killing it and receiving great reviews, and hundreds more hours of in person learning and online training......BINGO......Another raise (a pretty good one!). During this time I was also learning the new EAutomate software we acquired, and learned how to fix numerous other devices like typewriters, timeclocks, adding machines, cash registers, shredders, folding machines, inserters, phone systems, computers, etc., along with networking skills......Who would've guessed it........A Big Ol' Fat Raise! Now I'm adding A Business Administration degree to my collection, and have been learning the Administrative side of things in our software and our company, and have added a TON more responsibility in my new role as Service Manager (managing multiple store locations' service departments, and the technicians at each location). Dare I say it?..........ANOTHER RAISE! LOL.
      This has allowed me to live the lifestyle I want over the past 13 years (unlike my buddy "the host").

      Even at $8.00 - $10.00/ hr I was able to raise my 1st kid, rent a house, buy my first truck (still have it), raise two dogs, support my wife's needs (she's a "homemaker"), and my "needs" (Beer), and still had a little to spare.
      Now days, making what I make, after all the effort and the hard work I've put in......I comfortably support my wife's needs (still a homemaker), raise 3 kids, 3 dogs, a cat, bought a house, bought a couple other vehicles, a camper, a river vacation spot, many motorcycles, 4-wheelers, fishing gear, a boat, jet skis, savings accounts for my kids, paying for college classes for my wife and myself, vacations, BEER! etc. etc. All because I applied myself and wasn't some lazy piece of shit who expects a handout!

      But, not everyone has that kind of work ethic or willingness to learn. That's where the problem is!
      They are called "unskilled labor jobs" for a reason and the pay reflects that......it doesn't take any skill to flip a burger, or tape a box closed, or pull product off of an assembly line, or seat people at a restaurant!
      Anyone who thinks they deserve more pay for something that a toddler can do, is just plain delusional and downright Stupid! It's not about "looking down on someone" as you say, it's about making people EARN their pay! And a lot of people just don't want to earn it! They want it handed to them. Fuck those People.

      My wife worked for social services and she learned that there are actually very few "lazy" people. A large ratio want to work and DO NOT want to be receiving government supplements.
      Also, some people are happy doing the job they are doing but that doesn't make them less worthy of making a living wage.

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      • Phil B.
        Field Supervisor

        10,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2016
        • 22798

        #7683
        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

        Originally posted by FrohnB
        Problem with your statement is that not everyone wants to "learn a skill to earn a higher wage".....they want to do the bare minimum with very little responsibility and expect that they will get a raise year after year for doing the same shit. I know a guy from high school here in my town that started as a Host (the person that seats people) at an Applebee's restaurant 13 YEARS AGO, and is still doing that SAME JOB (he is 34 years old). His raises have been "maxed out" because he has no added responsibility or skills, but he's fine with making $12.00/hr for the past 7-8 years because it's enough to pay for his "lifestyle" (no kids, no wife, lives with his brother, minimal loans/ credit, no college), in other words.......LAZY!

        On the other hand, there are people like myself that started at $8.00/hr (as an office supply delivery guy), and learned things like our Point of Sales system and our inventory software, which allowed me to receive a substantial raise for that position. Then I went on to learn all about the office furniture we sell, and was quickly promoted to a Furniture installer with another raise. I continued to push myself to get better, and even created things like our "in-store calendar" that all the sales people, installers, warehouse people, and managers could log into to see what the delivery guys were doing on certain days between all of our locations (there was always double booking and lack of communication before this). Another raise quickly followed. Shortly after that, i was promoted to Install Manager where I learned the full scope of everything furniture related (CAD drawings, pricing, setups, repairs, going to HON and AllSteel classes, scheduling, etc)....guess what....another raise! Not long after that, I decided, with some goading by my uncle (the service manager), that I wanted to move over to the service department. Right off the bat, went to a half dozen Ricoh "instructor led training" sessions, and did hundreds of hours of online training, and jumped right into the field! You guessed it! Another Raise! After a year of proving that I can do the job and do it well, another raise came my way. After another year of Killing it and receiving great reviews, and hundreds more hours of in person learning and online training......BINGO......Another raise (a pretty good one!). During this time I was also learning the new EAutomate software we acquired, and learned how to fix numerous other devices like typewriters, timeclocks, adding machines, cash registers, shredders, folding machines, inserters, phone systems, computers, etc., along with networking skills......Who would've guessed it........A Big Ol' Fat Raise! Now I'm adding A Business Administration degree to my collection, and have been learning the Administrative side of things in our software and our company, and have added a TON more responsibility in my new role as Service Manager (managing multiple store locations' service departments, and the technicians at each location). Dare I say it?..........ANOTHER RAISE! LOL.
        This has allowed me to live the lifestyle I want over the past 13 years (unlike my buddy "the host").

        Even at $8.00 - $10.00/ hr I was able to raise my 1st kid, rent a house, buy my first truck (still have it), raise two dogs, support my wife's needs (she's a "homemaker"), and my "needs" (Beer), and still had a little to spare.
        Now days, making what I make, after all the effort and the hard work I've put in......I comfortably support my wife's needs (still a homemaker), raise 3 kids, 3 dogs, a cat, bought a house, bought a couple other vehicles, a camper, a river vacation spot, many motorcycles, 4-wheelers, fishing gear, a boat, jet skis, savings accounts for my kids, paying for college classes for my wife and myself, vacations, BEER! etc. etc. All because I applied myself and wasn't some lazy piece of shit who expects a handout!

        But, not everyone has that kind of work ethic or willingness to learn. That's where the problem is!
        They are called "unskilled labor jobs" for a reason and the pay reflects that......it doesn't take any skill to flip a burger, or tape a box closed, or pull product off of an assembly line, or seat people at a restaurant!
        Anyone who thinks they deserve more pay for something that a toddler can do, is just plain delusional and downright Stupid! It's not about "looking down on someone" as you say, it's about making people EARN their pay! And a lot of people just don't want to earn it! They want it handed to them. Fuck those People.

        two important statements there brother ..showing a willingness to work and proper work ethics

        job well done Sir!

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        • SalesServiceGuy
          Field Supervisor

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          5,000+ Posts
          • Dec 2009
          • 8104

          #7684
          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
          Liberals, you have blood on your hands. It's time to admit your lies and failures. Come clean. It's time.


          Fauci, the WHO, and mainstream media lied about COVID origins for more than a year
























          ... this is a right wing conspiracy theory that was originally invented to divert blame from the ex President over skyrocketing infection rates in the USA at the time. The ex President was desperate to find a scapegoat.

          There is no evidence that COVID-19 escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China. Dr. Fauci said there is no scientific evidence that the virus did originate in a Chinese laboratory.

          The conspiracy theory is made worse by China's unwillingness to share information.

          ... so the answer is nobody knows how the virus originated at this time and the main theory remains that it evolved through animal to human transmission.

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          • FrohnB
            Service Manager

            Site Contributor
            1,000+ Posts
            • Jul 2017
            • 1919

            #7685
            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            ...1). this is a right wing conspiracy theory that was originally invented to divert blame from the ex President over skyrocketing infection rates in the USA at the time. The ex President was desperate to find a scapegoat.

            2). There is no evidence that COVID-19 escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China. Dr. Fauci said there is no scientific evidence that the virus did originate in a Chinese laboratory.

            3). The conspiracy theory is made worse by China's unwillingness to share information.

            4). ... so the answer is nobody knows how the virus originated at this time and the main theory remains that it evolved through animal to human transmission.
            There were early cases of COVID-19 in the city not connected to shoppers at that market, andthere have not been any SARS-CoV-2 sequences found in animals from the market.So, the last part of your post is just a bunch of liberal media bullshit and Communist lies!


            Again, Try to keep up.
            Omertà

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            • Phil B.
              Field Supervisor

              10,000+ Posts
              • Jul 2016
              • 22798

              #7686
              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

              Originally posted by FrohnB
              There were early cases of COVID-19 in the city not connected to shoppers at that market, andthere have not been any SARS-CoV-2 sequences found in animals from the market.So, the last part of your post is just a bunch of liberal media bullshit and Communist lies!


              Again, Try to keep up.

              CNN hasn't covered the latest news on covid.... heaven forbid they should say that fauxci misled us and that China lied to the world!

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                • Aug 2020
                • 16308

                #7687
                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                Originally posted by FrohnB
                Wow...........try to keep up buddy!

                1). No scapegoat needed! China was to blame from the beginning for covering everything up, yet allowing MILLIONS of people to Travel all over the world and infect every country. And from the VERY beginning, the Wuhan Lab is to blame for the leak. Your blind if you can't see that!

                2). Fauci has also said, as recently as May 11th of this year, that "he's not convinced" that the virus occurred naturally!
                Fauci has also previously testified in a Senate hearing that he believes the “possibility of a lab leak certainly exists.” So....Your second statement is laughable.

                3). Would you expect anything else from the Dirty Communist Fucks over there?

                4). So, It's been proven that China had cases of covid within the public as early as late November, and now with the recent release of U.S.intelligence, shows that on Nov. 19th 2019, there were workers at the Wuhan Lab who suffered from an "unknown" illness and went to the hospital (we all know what it was). Also, There were early cases of COVID-19 in the city not connected to shoppers at that market, andthere have not been any SARS-CoV-2 sequences found in animals from the market.So, the last part of your post is just a bunch of liberal media bullshit and Communist lies!


                Again, Try to keep up.

                You'll have to overlook SSG. He's been depressed ever since he learned that Covid is a thing of the past and everyone is going back to life as normal. Moreover, he doesn't want to hear anything about China, he wants to blame Trump for everything and he's scared this will expose his liberal politicians that he adores so much.
                Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                • bsm2
                  IT Manager

                  25,000+ Posts
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 29437

                  #7688
                  Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                  One day You Amigo's believe Dr Fauci the next you trash him.

                  It's Hilarious as you spin spin your conspiracy lies.

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                  • Phil B.
                    Field Supervisor

                    10,000+ Posts
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 22798

                    #7689
                    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                    Report: Leaked Documents Show Tech Giant Making Efforts to Censor 'Vaccine Hesitancy'

                    Project VeritasYou can get your post banned if you try to post anything about the side effects of the shot... how many people have died or gotten deathly ill from the shot. It has happened to me.

                    MarchProject VeritasFox NewsThe Western Journal on Feb. 11.
                    In April, Twitter from the platform after he and his organization posted videos of an investigation into CNNbannedblog post

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                    • Phil B.
                      Field Supervisor

                      10,000+ Posts
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 22798

                      #7690
                      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                      Report: Leaked Documents Show Tech Giant Making Efforts to Censor 'Vaccine Hesitancy'Project VeritasYou can get your post banned if you try to post anything about the side effects of the shot... how many people have died or gotten deathly ill from the shot. It has happened to me.

                      MarchProject VeritasFox NewsThe Western Journal on Feb. 11.
                      In April, Twitter from the platform after he and his organization posted videos of an investigation into CNNbannedblog post

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        Site Contributor
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                        • Dec 2009
                        • 8104

                        #7691
                        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                        Originally posted by copier addict
                        My wife worked for social services and she learned that there are actually very few "lazy" people. A large ratio want to work and DO NOT want to be receiving government supplements.
                        Also, some people are happy doing the job they are doing but that doesn't make them less worthy of making a living wage.
                        My next door neighbour works full time for Social Services. Most able bodied people are desperate to get off public assistance programs.

                        Many people found themselves there because of physical or mental disabilities, abuse, single mother, parent of child with disabilities, substance abuse, inability to find affordable housing, etc.

                        Sure some people grow use to living at this low level of income where every day is a struggle and the quality of life is poor but they are in the great minority.

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                        • SalesServiceGuy
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                          • Dec 2009
                          • 8104

                          #7692
                          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                          Originally posted by Phil B.
                          Report: Leaked Documents Show Tech Giant Making Efforts to Censor 'Vaccine Hesitancy'Project VeritasYou can get your post banned if you try to post anything about the side effects of the shot... how many people have died or gotten deathly ill from the shot. It has happened to me.

                          MarchProject VeritasFox NewsThe Western Journal on Feb. 11.
                          In April, Twitter from the platform after he and his organization posted videos of an investigation into CNNbannedblog post
                          .... Facebook is a private corporation that recognizes they have a great amount of social responsibility. Facebook has every right to defend their franchise from the spread of disinformation especially from the likes of a well known "flame thrower" like Project Veritas.

                          Project Veritas is trying to ride FaceBook's fame to draw interest to themselves and increase their own revenues.

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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            5,000+ Posts
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 8104

                            #7693
                            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                            Originally posted by FrohnB
                            Wow...........try to keep up buddy!

                            1). No scapegoat needed! China was to blame from the beginning for covering everything up, yet allowing MILLIONS of people to Travel all over the world and infect every country. And from the VERY beginning, the Wuhan Lab is to blame for the leak. Your blind if you can't see that!

                            2). Fauci has also said, as recently as May 11th of this year, that "he's not convinced" that the virus occurred naturally!
                            Fauci has also previously testified in a Senate hearing that he believes the “possibility of a lab leak certainly exists.” So....Your second statement is laughable.

                            3). Would you expect anything else from the Dirty Communist Fucks over there?

                            4). So, It's been proven that China had cases of covid within the public as early as late November, and now with the recent release of U.S.intelligence, shows that on Nov. 19th 2019, there were workers at the Wuhan Lab who suffered from an "unknown" illness and went to the hospital (we all know what it was). Also, There were early cases of COVID-19 in the city not connected to shoppers at that market, andthere have not been any SARS-CoV-2 sequences found in animals from the market.So, the last part of your post is just a bunch of liberal media bullshit and Communist lies!


                            Again, Try to keep up.
                            ... despite your mis-mash of thoughts and mistruths, no country or health organization on earth has officially accused China of intentionally spreading COVID-19. Nor have any facts come forward to substantiate this claim.

                            I am not defending China, they are guilty of many harms to the world but the accusations you throw at them are right wing conspiracy theories meant to shield the ex President from his failure to effectively control COVID-19.

                            The ex President failed so miserably that he himself, all of his family and many top Administration officials all became infected with COVID-19 including his young son Baron who now has to live for the rest of his life with the potential consequences.

                            The ex President's goal of re-election was much more important to him than the health of the nation. The ex President deliberately interfered with public health officials who's narrative in any way diminished his re-election hopes.

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                            • SalesServiceGuy
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                              5,000+ Posts
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 8104

                              #7694
                              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                              Originally posted by Phil B.
                              two important statements there brother ..showing a willingness to work and proper work ethics

                              job well done Sir!
                              ... what about those who are unable to work because they have a disability? Your world and your perception of the world is not the only reality out there.

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                              • SalesServiceGuy
                                Field Supervisor

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                                5,000+ Posts
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 8104

                                #7695
                                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                                Originally posted by slimslob
                                If everyone earned higher wage one of two things would happen, either prices would go up to where that higher wage would not be a "living wage" or the number of people working those low end jobs would go down.
                                ... or if the rich, the fabulously rich and those corporations who pay no tax paid their fair share, wages and the quality of life could improve for all not just those at the top.

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