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  • BillyCarpenter
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    #3901
    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

    Originally posted by copier addict
    I figured that when you came back to the political forums you would have changed your discussion style. I was wrong. Deflection and hyperbole as usual.
    Can't say I'm not a little disappointed.

    I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else. All I'm saying is that the buck stops with Joe Biden. Do you want me to feel sorry for Joe? What?
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    • BillyCarpenter
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      By the way...as far as my return to the political forum? I understand that there is no honest discussion to be had on here. So, I'm just gonna say what I need to say and not take it so seriously. That's all.
      Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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      • mojorolla
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        #3903
        Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
        I'm curious if you ever place blame on Biden?

        There's runaway inflation.
        High gas prices. (Biden just asked OPEC to pump more oil after cutting our supply)
        Surrender to the Taliban
        Extreme rise in crime across the country.

        Those are just the ones that popped in my head. Do you place blame on Biden for any?
        Good afternoon William.
        As clearly written in my original post, Biden is amongst the names listed for blame. Being that he is the current POTUS, he bear the brunt of this blame but the fact is the deal was already made by the previous administration.

        "Runaway" inflation, nope. Nothing most folks would call "runaway"

        Gas prices, I remember paying over $4 a gallon while we occupied the second largest oil reserve on the planet

        Again, in my original post, Trump admin LET THEM CHOOSE who they wanted released. Image if Batman let the Joker, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy and Two-Face out of prison. Then wondered why Gotham was being overrun by crime. I have found that child analogies work best for you William.


        Failing to plan is planning to fail!!!

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        • Copier Addict
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          #3904
          Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
          I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else. All I'm saying is that the buck stops with Joe Biden. Do you want me to feel sorry for Joe? What?
          I couldn't care less about Biden. He is in that position by choice. He gets blamed.
          All I'm saying is, it doesn't matter who was pres, the result in Afghanistan would have been exactly the same. Remove the troops now or remove them ten years from now the Taliban would be exactly where they are right now.

          When the inflation rate drops next year are you going to credit Biden?
          Personally I don't give leaders credit or blame for the economy. Their control of it is slight at best. Some of their policies may have limited affect, but overall it is rich old men in back rooms who have most of the control.

          We already know why covid numbers are way up. It is because sheep have excercised their "freedom" to not get vaccinated. We also know where that comes from. All the vaccinated GOP representatives telling people not to get the shot so they can score political points.

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          • BillyCarpenter
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            Originally posted by copier addict
            All I'm saying is, it doesn't matter who was pres, the result in Afghanistan would have been exactly the same. Remove the troops now or remove them ten years from now the Taliban would be exactly where they are right now.


            Interesting.

            911 was planned and carried out thru Afghanistan. I don't accept your premise because I refuse to accept another 911 attack on our soil.
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            • Copier Addict
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              Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              Interesting.

              911 was planned and carried out thru Afghanistan. I don't accept your premise because I refuse to accept another 911 attack on our soil.

              HUH?????
              You will have to explain this comment to me.

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                Originally posted by copier addict
                HUH?????
                You will have to explain this comment to me.


                Let me be more clear. I don't accept that the Taliban are destined to control the country. And if that is true, we should/must keep a permanent force there because we can't allow another 911 or worse.


                We keep glossing over the fact that Biden miscalculated and botched the the withdrawal. That was amateur hour.
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                • Copier Addict
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                  Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                  Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                  Let me be more clear. I don't accept that the Taliban are destined to control the country. And if that is true, we should/must keep a permanent force there because we can't allow another 911 or worse.


                  We keep glossing over the fact that Biden miscalculated and botched the the withdrawal. That was amateur hour.

                  I'm already on the record saying I think they should have stayed and hunted the Taliban down. But I don't think that was their mission. They were there to train the Afghans so they could defend themselves. It is pretty obvious that is impossible. If twenty years wasn't enough time to train them, more years wouldn't have helped. How many years do you think they should have stayed?

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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    Originally posted by copier addict
                    I'm already on the record saying I think they should have stayed and hunted the Taliban down. But I don't think that was their mission. They were there to train the Afghans so they could defend themselves. It is pretty obvious that is impossible. If twenty years wasn't enough time to train them, more years wouldn't have helped. How many years do you think they should have stayed?


                    How long should we have stayed? Forever if need be. I don't feel like watching another 911. If it happens again because of what happened under Biden, ask yourself the same question?
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                    • bsm2
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                      #3910
                      Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                      Let me be more clear. I don't accept that the Taliban are destined to control the country. And if that is true, we should/must keep a permanent force there because we can't allow another 911 or worse.


                      We keep glossing over the fact that Biden miscalculated and botched the the withdrawal. That was amateur hour.
                      Another Failed student it wasn't the
                      Taliban that did 9/11
                      google it

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                      • bsm2
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                        #3911
                        Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                        How long should we have stayed? Forever if need be. I don't feel like watching another 911. If it happens again because of what happened under Biden, ask yourself the same question?
                        You do know even Trump wanted to withdraw troops?
                        But you said nothing

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                        • bsm2
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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            US halted dollar shipments to Afghanistan to keep cash out of Taliban’s hands

                            U.S. officials are also blocking Taliban from Afghan government accounts managed by the Fed and U.S. banks


                            The Biden administration last week canceled bulk shipments of dollars headed for Afghanistan as Taliban fighters were poised to take control of the capital city of Kabul, part of a continuing scramble to keep hundreds of millions of dollars out of the hands of the terrorist group, according to people familiar with the matter.

                            The U.S. is also blocking Taliban access to government accounts managed by the Federal Reserve and other U.S. banks and working to prevent the group’s access to nearly half-billion dollars-worth of reserves at the International Monetary Fund, according to those people.

                            The actions represent the last vestiges of diplomatic leverage Washington hopes will help prevent a deepening political and humanitarian crisis.

                            "Any central bank assets the Afghan government has in the United States will not be made available to the Taliban," a Biden administration official said.

                            As the Taliban took over several provincial areas across the country and made its way toward Kabul last week, the U.S. Treasury Department made an emergency decision to halt shipment of the sealed pallets of cash, shipped by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, as they were flown to Afghanistan.

                            Ajmal Ahmady, Afghanistan’s central bank chief, who fled the country on Sunday, said in an interview that he learned on Friday that no more dollar shipments would be arriving, but he declined to comment further on the decision. He said the central bank has approximately $9 billion in reserves, nearly all of which are held outside the country.

                            With the U.S. move to block access to those reserves, "the amount accessible to the Taliban is almost 0.1%," Mr. Ahmady said Tuesday.

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                            • SalesServiceGuy
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                              Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that he was concerned that then-President Donald Trump "undermined" the US' 2020 agreement with the Taliban by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the conditions of the deal.

                              The Trump administration's "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan" outlined a series of commitments from the US and the Taliban related to troop levels, counterterrorism and intra-Afghan dialogue aimed at bringing about "a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire."

                              Esper "my concern was that President Trump, by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan, undermined the agreement, which is why in the fall when he was calling for a return of US forces by Christmas, I objected and formally wrote a letter to him, a memo based on recommendations from the military chain of command and my senior civilian leadership that we not go further -- that we not reduce below 4,500 troops unless and until conditions were met by the Taliban."

                              In his first public comments since the Taliban solidified control of Kabul, President Joe Biden on Monday laid blame on the Afghan security forces' unwillingness to fight and the decisions of previous administrations -- including the Trump administration -- while failing to directly address the chaos unfolding on his watch.

                              President Biden conceded that the Taliban takeover happened faster than anticipated, though he said he stands "squarely behind" his decision.


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                              • BillyCarpenter
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                                Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                                Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that he was concerned that then-President Donald Trump "undermined" the US' 2020 agreement with the Taliban by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the conditions of the deal.

                                The Trump administration's "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan" outlined a series of commitments from the US and the Taliban related to troop levels, counterterrorism and intra-Afghan dialogue aimed at bringing about "a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire."

                                Esper "my concern was that President Trump, by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan, undermined the agreement, which is why in the fall when he was calling for a return of US forces by Christmas, I objected and formally wrote a letter to him, a memo based on recommendations from the military chain of command and my senior civilian leadership that we not go further -- that we not reduce below 4,500 troops unless and until conditions were met by the Taliban."

                                In his first public comments since the Taliban solidified control of Kabul, President Joe Biden on Monday laid blame on the Afghan security forces' unwillingness to fight and the decisions of previous administrations -- including the Trump administration -- while failing to directly address the chaos unfolding on his watch.

                                President Biden conceded that the Taliban takeover happened faster than anticipated, though he said he stands "squarely behind" his decision.



                                Joe didn't stick with Trump's policy on Iran and he didn't have to stick with his agreement with Afghanistan. It's time to stop blaming Trump. And then there's this:




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