White Privilege, clear cut.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

Many years ago a friend of mine was pregnant, a planned pregnancy, she couldn't have been happier. Then, at 20 weeks, she had a scan that showed the baby's heart wasn't formed. When you deny a woman the right to choose, you condemn women like my friend to carrying a baby to term, feeling them move in her womb, enduring childbirth, all the time knowing that her baby will die as soon as the umbilical cord is cut. How is that humane?

I support a woman's right to choose, that doesn't mean I have to agree with every reason, but you cannot allow one, and not the other.

By the way, how dare you, or any man, try to dictate what any woman does with her womb

On one hand, you say that any woman with the title of "mother" would never abort a baby because it was gay. On the other hand, you support a woman who chooses to get an abortion because she had careless sex. You're all over the place, Debs. If you don't believe an unborn baby is a "person", why do you care if a mother aborts a gay "fetus"?

I don't think you've thought this through?

BTW: When you say "I dare you" to tell a woman what to do with her body....that's designed to shut men up and shut down debate. Not working. Sorry.

[mojorolla]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

I find this argument fascinating, and disgustingly hypocritical, as these same people are the ones screaming about their bodies and their rights as it pertains to vaccine's. Yet, when it comes to a woman rights, that's different? But it really isn't, its about personal choice. Remove religion from the debate and it boils down to individual freedoms. There is a reason for separation of church and state.
I don't trust anybody who claims to talk to God.

Gay conversion therapy, pish posh. You are born gay, it is not a choice. Nobody wakes up one day and decides to be gay and it is stunningly ignorant to think so.

How could they "ruin sports" when you only watch mens beach volleyball ?

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

I find this argument fascinating, and disgustingly hypocritical, as these same people are the ones screaming about their bodies and their rights as it pertains to vaccine's. Yet, when it comes to a woman rights, that's different? But it really isn't, its about personal choice. Remove religion from the debate and it boils down to individual freedoms. There is a reason for separation of church and state.
I don't trust anybody who claims to talk to God.

Gay conversion therapy, pish posh. You are born gay, it is not a choice. Nobody wakes up one day and decides to be gay and it is stunningly ignorant to think so.

How could they "ruin sports" when you only watch mens beach volleyball ?

I don't believe in God. Leave your delusions at home.


Liberals are almost always allergic to a question but let's give it a try.

If there were a test that could tell if a unborn baby was gay...would you support woman's right to choose abortion for the reason that the baby is gay? Yes or no. Simple question, fuckboy.,

[Debs1964]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

On one hand, you say that any woman with the title of "mother" would never abort a baby because it was gay. On the other hand, you support a woman who chooses to get an abortion because she had careless sex. You're all over the place, Debs. If you don't believe an unborn baby is a "person", why do you care if a mother aborts a gay "fetus"?

I don't think you've thought this through?

BTW: When you say "I dare you" to tell a woman what to do with her body....that's designed to shut men up and shut down debate. Not working. Sorry.

You are deliberately misunderstanding me.

I do not have to like the reasons why a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy, it's not my body, so I don't get to make those choices. Personally I don't believe any woman who is a caring mother would terminate a pregnancy because the child was gay, but that does not stop her having the right to do so.
Personally, I don't believe I could ever have had a termination, but that is my choice, no one elses.

You say a woman who has careless sex...what about the man? He is able to walk away from the pregnancy because it wasn't planned, yet people try to force the woman to carry an unwanted child.

There are a lot of things I don't like, therefore I would not do, but it's not my place to stop others from doing them.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

You are deliberately misunderstanding me.

I do not have to like the reasons why a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy, it's not my body, so I don't get to make those choices. Personally I don't believe any woman who is a caring mother would terminate a pregnancy because the child was gay, but that does not stop her having the right to do so.
Personally, I don't believe I could ever have had a termination, but that is my choice, no one elses.

You say a woman who has careless sex...what about the man? He is able to walk away from the pregnancy because it wasn't planned, yet people try to force the woman to carry an unwanted child.

There are a lot of things I don't like, therefore I would not do, but it's not my place to stop others from doing them.

I wasn't purposefully trying to misunderstand. You weren't clear. Thanks for clearing up your stance.

First things first, you seem to have a big problem when a MAN speaks out against abortion. Why do you feel that way? When did I lose that right?

Let me give you an example. What about late-term abortion? Am I allowed tell a woman that that makes her a murderer? Can I try to get a law passed that would make it illegal??...you know...tell a woman what she can and can't do with "her" body?

[Copier Addict]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

On one hand, you say that any woman with the title of "mother" would never abort a baby because it was gay. On the other hand, you support a woman who chooses to get an abortion because she had careless sex. You're all over the place, Debs. If you don't believe an unborn baby is a "person", why do you care if a mother aborts a gay "fetus"?

I don't think you've thought this through?

BTW: When you say "I dare you" to tell a woman what to do with her body....that's designed to shut men up and shut down debate. Not working. Sorry.

1st. She clearly stated that the pregnancy of her friend was planned.
2nd. Comparing a fetus with an unformed heart and one that may be gay isn't a fair comparison. The first one is guaranteed not to survive and the second is not broken.
3rd. She said "How dare you" not "I dare you"
I know you can do better if you actually engage your brain before attempting to discuss things with the adults.
Baby steps Billy

[Debs1964]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

First things first, you seem to have a big problem when a MAN speaks out against abortion. Why do you feel that way? When did I lose that right?

Let me give you an example. What about late-term abortion? Am I allowed tell a woman that that makes her a murderer? Can I try to get a law passed that would make it illegal??...you know...tell a woman what she can and can't do with "her" body?

I have an issue with anyone speaking out against abortion. The only person who has the right to decide is the one with the uterus. I do not have the right to tell another woman what she should or shouldn't do with her body.

No, you are not allowed to tell a woman that she is a murderer, no one should be trying to make a woman feel guilty for the decisions she is making regarding her body.

I watched a very interesting programme recently on TV called Three Families (I don't know if it's available in the states), it's a true story about the struggle to get abortion legalised in Northern Ireland. There was a woman on it who, like my friend, had a fatal foetal abnormality, her baby was not going to survive. She was not permitted to terminate the pregnancy, yet she had the right to choose whether doctors should try to resuscitate the baby after birth, so she had a choice AFTER the child was born, but not before, how can anyone believe this to be right.

I don't know what the laws are on late term abortion in the states, but here, in the UK, termination is only permitted up to 24 weeks except in the case of fatal foetal abnormalities, or if the mothers health is at risk by continuing with the pregnancy.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

I have an issue with anyone speaking out against abortion. The only person who has the right to decide is the one with the uterus. I do not have the right to tell another woman what she should or shouldn't do with her body.

No, you are not allowed to tell a woman that she is a murderer, no one should be trying to make a woman feel guilty for the decisions she is making regarding her body.

I watched a very interesting programme recently on TV called Three Families (I don't know if it's available in the states), it's a true story about the struggle to get abortion legalised in Northern Ireland. There was a woman on it who, like my friend, had a fatal foetal abnormality, her baby was not going to survive. She was not permitted to terminate the pregnancy, yet she had the right to choose whether doctors should try to resuscitate the baby after birth, so she had a choice AFTER the child was born, but not before, how can anyone believe this to be right.

I don't know what the laws are on late term abortion in the states, but here, in the UK, termination is only permitted up to 24 weeks except in the case of fatal foetal abnormalities, or if the mothers health is at risk by continuing with the pregnancy.

24 weeks in the UK, huh? Some infants survive outside the womb before 24 weeks? I don't know about you, but I find "24 weeks" threshold to be nothing more than playing Russian Roulette with a "life". What "mother", and I use that term loosely, would take that gamble of killing a baby that would otherwise survive on its own outside the womb?

Sorry, but you're not gonna silence me because I'm a man or for any other reason. You're entitled to your opinion but you aren't entitled to shut mine down. I will continue to speak out against abortion except when the mother's life is in danger.

[robinsonad86]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

24 weeks in the UK, huh? Some infants survive outside the womb before 24 weeks? I don't know about you, but I find "24 weeks" threshold to be nothing more than playing Russian Roulette with a "life". What "mother", and I use that term loosely, would take that gamble of killing a baby that would otherwise survive on its own outside the womb?

Sorry, but you're not gonna silence me because I'm a man or for any other reason. You're entitled to your opinion but you aren't entitled to shut mine down. I will continue to speak out against abortion except when the mother's life is in danger.

[mojorolla]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

I don't believe in God. Leave your delusions at home.


Liberals are almost always allergic to a question but let's give it a try.

If there were a test that could tell if a unborn baby was gay...would you support woman's right to choose abortion for the reason that the baby is gay? Yes or no. Simple question, fuckboy.,

It is a redundant question as I support a woman right to choose what she does with her body for any reason.
Simple answer for a simple man.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

It is a redundant question as I support a woman right to choose what she does with her body for any reason.
Simple answer for a simple man.

This is what I like. You're a liberal that has been so thoroughly brainwashed by liberal propaganda that you really can't defend your own position and I'm about to prove it.


You say that you would never tell a woman what to do with her body/reproductive rights. Right? Right.


What if a woman wants to have an abortion in the 9th month? Just humor me. What would your position be? Or is there no limits on abortion?

PS - Limits means we're telling a woman what she can or can't do.

Ready? Go.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.


My stance is very simple. Abortion should only be available when the life of the mother is in danger. Not because of rape or being gay. The baby can't help it if he was born gay or his mother was raped.

I can understand why some would support abortion in the case of rape but I can't support it. Ditto for the baby being gay. Let him live.

[slimslob]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

Thank you so much for this reply. If someone says no, or is too drunk, or drugged, to answer, and you do it anyway, it's called RAPE, it doesn't matter where you are, or what you're wearing, or how many people you've said yes to in the past

But my question still remains valid, "What the hell did she expect to happen to her at a party at the Playboy Mansion?" No one in the news media seemed interested in asking that question. I can only wonder if the answer would not have fit the picture that the media was trying to paint.

[Copier Addict]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

But my question still remains valid, "What the hell did she expect to happen to her at a party at the Playboy Mansion?" No one in the news media seemed interested in asking that question. I can only wonder if the answer would not have fit the picture that the media was trying to paint.

It is absolutely disgusting how far some will go to make their point. Now you are defending rape just because a "liberal" says it's bad. There is something wrong here.

[Crowfeather]

Re: White Privilege, clear cut.

This thread is laughable.

Way too much aggressive behaviour.

Anyone just my two cents:

The differentiating factor between low and high crime rates is not Race, its a mixture of socio-economic factors, both external and internal. Internal factor for example would be culture, external factor would be police presense, or educational facilities. Boiling down something that professionals have studied for thousands of years to a single factor is dumb.

The "my body my choice" argument is dumb. It is essentially liberalism to its max which is a form of anarchy. By definition as soon as you join a society of people, there are limitations on what you and your body can and cannot do. For example, it is not in dispute in western society that specific class A drugs such as Cocaine should be illegal.

So the my body my choice argument fails. It is really not a question of your body or your choice, but instead a sliding scale of how much government control the population would prefer to have. Me personally, I think minimal government is best. When it comes to personal rights, the government should only interfere at the absolute minimum that is required for a functional society. For example the government should protect and punish someone from harm by another. It should protect free speech including protest against the government and so forth.


The my body my argument I most commonly seen in America used to argue about legalizing abortions for any reason. Its funny, because no where in Europe can you get an abortion for any reason. Abortions are either heavily restricted or/and in some cases require a specifically licensed professional. In the UK for example there must be a pressing reason for the abortion, for example birth threatens the mother's health.

Whenever, I see americans arguing about it, I usually see a lot on the republican side have the 4 exceptions to when abortion is allowed. Health, Rape etc.



White privilege doesn't exist. A person is not privileged because of the colour of their skin and even if they were it would certainly not be in white dominated societies. It is instead socio-economic factors that are much more determinent. Probably the only places you could argue that being white has its advantages is in third world countries, and in reality its not the "whiteness", but the "western" status, and the associated wealth that people believe you to have. This is born from the influence that the west has had on the rest of the world during the imperial and post imperial (rise of america) age.

I've read multiple texts now about "whiteness" and its literally just racist babble, by people who are not able to source any empircal evidence, make broad sweeping statements as if they are fact, and confuse even themselves in their own linquigistic novelties and mind bending logical leaps.



Also I don't why you get into anecdotal arguments about rape and all this other nonsense. If a woman is going to a Playboy Mansion (literally where whores go) and she ends up having sex, and then later claims she was raped, then there is a massive evidential barrier by clear nature of circumstance as to prove she is telling the truth. We operate on a innocent until proven basis in society. The burden is always on the claimant to prove what they are claiming. So it is understandable when a woman goes to a building that exists purely on the basis of sexual encounters, that people question her motives when she later makes a claim that she was raped. (edit: I read she was underaged, if she was underaged then consent laws change, so it would depend possibly on what the alleged perpetrator reasonably believed. Parents are dumb as f though if they let her go there. Like why?)


Could you imagine the response I would get if I spent 5 days texting a chick I met at a bar, we send each other nudes and other lewd material, and I invite her over to my place while my wife is out of the house, and then my wife finds out that someone was there and I tell her I was raped. It later comes out in court about our message history, previous interactions etc.
You think anyone would convict her?