Vaccine Mandate Service Agreement

[mloudy]

Received a form to fill out from one of our nursing home customers. One page that they say we are required to fill out, sign and return to them.

Th agreement states that they are the "Facility" and we are the "Contractor/Service Provider" also it refers to our employees as "Staff"

Just a few things I disagree with in the Agreement, and these are quotes:

"Staff, both vaccinated and vaccine exempt, must also comply with the testing and PPE requirements established by regulatory agency and/or in accordance Facility policy. The cost of Staff testing supplies and Staff PPE is the responsibility of the Contractor/Service Provider"

"Contractor/Service Provider shall provide Facility a list of all Staff and their vaccination status upon execution of the Addendum"

There is no expiration date.

I called and got moved up the ladder. I told them I would not be paying for testing that they require. I also would not be giving them a list of ALL my employees and their vaccination status. I asked them if it was even legal to ask me for it because of hippa laws. She claimed it was because they accept Medicare and Medicaid and Federal Law now requires them to collected this information. I told them I would be happy to provide them with copies of techs vaccine cards that actually enter their facility but I would not provide them a complete list of all our employess and their vaccine status. She told me all health care providers would be requiring us to do the same. She was understanding and asked if I would cross out and put my intials beside the things I would not accept and she would see if it would get approved. She said there was nothing to be worried about sending her the list of all our employees and records. "It would never leave her office". I asked her if she watched the news because these lists keep getting accidentally released.

She told me she had crews coming in to clean the commercial range hoods that day in the kitchen and she sent them the form to sign. They refused and told her they would need to find another company to do the work.

[tonerjockey]

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total hypocrites.
there is a nursing/ convalescent home near here that wont allow any visitors to the residents, requires all residents to have a vaccine, but doesn't require their workers to get vaccinated.

and then its like a vicious cycle. a worker tests positive, and then the place is on lock down for several weeks.

over and over. morons. hello

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Vaccine Mandate Service Agreement

Received a form to fill out from one of our nursing home customers. One page that they say we are required to fill out, sign and return to them.

Th agreement states that they are the "Facility" and we are the "Contractor/Service Provider" also it refers to our employees as "Staff"

Just a few things I disagree with in the Agreement, and these are quotes:

"Staff, both vaccinated and vaccine exempt, must also comply with the testing and PPE requirements established by regulatory agency and/or in accordance Facility policy. The cost of Staff testing supplies and Staff PPE is the responsibility of the Contractor/Service Provider"

"Contractor/Service Provider shall provide Facility a list of all Staff and their vaccination status upon execution of the Addendum"

There is no expiration date.

I called and got moved up the ladder. I told them I would not be paying for testing that they require. I also would not be giving them a list of ALL my employees and their vaccination status. I asked them if it was even legal to ask me for it because of hippa laws. She claimed it was because they accept Medicare and Medicaid and Federal Law now requires them to collected this information. I told them I would be happy to provide them with copies of techs vaccine cards that actually enter their facility but I would not provide them a complete list of all our employess and their vaccine status. She told me all health care providers would be requiring us to do the same. She was understanding and asked if I would cross out and put my intials beside the things I would not accept and she would see if it would get approved. She said there was nothing to be worried about sending her the list of all our employees and records. "It would never leave her office". I asked her if she watched the news because these lists keep getting accidentally released.

She told me she had crews coming in to clean the commercial range hoods that day in the kitchen and she sent them the form to sign. They refused and told her they would need to find another company to do the work.

... Nursing Homes have been among the most vulnerable groups of people effected by the COVID pandemic therefore they must take COVID safety precautions very seriously. You should not equate them with most other kinds of business.

Nursing Homes also rely heavily on State and Federal subsidies that demand a specific level of compliance.

Perhaps this nursing home is taking their requirements for contractors to enter their premises a bit too far but if you want to cater to this market it comes with the territory.

Nursing Homes have their bureaucracies to deal with. Should you object to their demands, the Nursing Home will eventually find a print vendor to replace you.

When I have to enter an oil refinery to service equipment it is my expense to provide PPE. A Nursing home requires a different kind of PPE. It is still my expense.

[mloudy]

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I asked her if she would supply me with a list of all her employees and residents along with their vaccine status so I would know that my Staff was protected when entering their facility.

She answered my question with a question. Does the Federal Goverment require that you collect this information to run your business?

In the end we would lose a client that has a 12 year old copier and is one of our slowest paying customers.

[mojorolla]

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Pardon my French, but fuck that.
Most nursing homes we service have signs to "Zippa your lippa for Hippa" but leave resident information on the finisher exit trays. These forms include pictures, addresses and social security numbers. If I wanted to commit identity theft, I would start by visiting a nursing home copier.

My wife is a nurse, and she contracted Covid right after New Years. Her companies policy is once they catch Covid, they DO NOT TEST THEM FOR 90 DAYS! I do not understand how this makes any sense at all.
You should ask about delivery guys, UPS and FedEx guys have to do this as well...?

[SalesServiceGuy]

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I asked her if she would supply me with a list of all her employees and residents along with their vaccine status so I would know that my Staff was protected when entering their facility.

She answered my question with a question. Does the Federal Goverment require that you collect this information to run your business?

In the end we would lose a client that has a 12 year old copier and is one of our slowest paying customers.

... if this customer will not upgrade their copier every seven years tops, you should have ditched them long ago. That is your fault.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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[QUOTE=mojorolla;2110288]Pardon my French, but fuck that.
Most nursing homes we service have signs to "Zippa your lippa for Hippa" but leave resident information on the finisher exit trays. These forms include pictures, addresses and social security numbers. If I wanted to commit identity theft, I would start by visiting a nursing home copier.

My wife is a nurse, and she contracted Covid right after New Years. Her companies policy is once they catch Covid, they DO NOT TEST THEM FOR 90 DAYS! I do not understand how this makes any sense at all.
You should ask about delivery guys, UPS and FedEx guys have to do this as well...?


[/QUOTE

... I do not think UPS and FedEx drivers have a choice. If they wanted a job, they had to be vaccinated. If I was a FedEx driver walking into 50 businesses every day, I would run down to a vaccination center just for personal protection.

[mojorolla]

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[QUOTE=SalesServiceGuy;2110368]

Pardon my French, but fuck that.
Most nursing homes we service have signs to "Zippa your lippa for Hippa" but leave resident information on the finisher exit trays. These forms include pictures, addresses and social security numbers. If I wanted to commit identity theft, I would start by visiting a nursing home copier.

My wife is a nurse, and she contracted Covid right after New Years. Her companies policy is once they catch Covid, they DO NOT TEST THEM FOR 90 DAYS! I do not understand how this makes any sense at all.
You should ask about delivery guys, UPS and FedEx guys have to do this as well...?


[/QUOTE

... I do not think UPS and FedEx drivers have a choice. If they wanted a job, they had to be vaccinated. If I was a FedEx driver walking into 50 businesses every day, I would run down to a vaccination center just for personal protection.

Not required for FedEx and only some at UPS are required to get vaccinated.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-us-company-employee-vaccine-mandates/

I was referring more to providing company wide lists of personal medical information as opposed to individuals.

[mloudy]

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... if this customer will not upgrade their copier every seven years tops, you should have ditched them long ago. That is your fault.

We used to cancel MA at 10 years. A friend in the biz told me a few years ago to stop cancelling them and start jacking up the cpp at 10 years. Instead of the normal .001 go with a .01 annual increase or more. Yes it is my fault that client refuses to replace an old copier that runs extremely well.

[mloudy]

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[QUOTE=mojorolla;2110390]

Not required for FedEx and only some at UPS are required to get vaccinated.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-us-company-employee-vaccine-mandates/

I was referring more to providing company wide lists of personal medical information as opposed to individuals.

I have no problem giving them vac status of techs that actually walk in their door. I do have a problem with giving them vac status of everyone that works at our company. There is no need for them to have that list. I don't even keep track of it. Some employees have shared that info with me and some have not.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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We used to cancel MA at 10 years. A friend in the biz told me a few years ago to stop cancelling them and start jacking up the cpp at 10 years. Instead of the normal .001 go with a .01 annual increase or more. Yes it is my fault that client refuses to replace an old copier that runs extremely well.

... immediately put them on time and materials, toner out. They have to pay your hourly labor rate for onsite calls, pay for every part at MSRP, pay for every toner at MSRP. No more cpc.

[KenB]

[mloudy]

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To my knoweldge they have not gotten us any new customers. If nursing care facilites throughout the country are like our local ones most have been acquired by larger corporations in the last decade. You used to know the person or family that owned these places but now they are corporately own and most are out of state. The people who run them locally may or may not be from the area.

I asked her if the form was a Federal Form and she said it was not. It was written up by a local law firm. It is still on my desk and I have revised it enough that I would be confortable sending it to them. If they accept it with my changes then we are good to go for 1 year. If not they can do what they must. We have several facilites that are much larger but I have not heard from them. They are big enough we would feel if they left. She assures me I will be contacted by them shortly. Seems a really odd time for this to happen when the danger was much greater in the past.

[tonerjockey]

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if it is truly a federal requirement for them to request and acquire a list, of all entrants, and their companies employee vaccine status then they should be required to furnish outside contractors with that official document.

and then it should be their own prerogative if they want to adhere and comply.


and that reasoning would also mandate that all resident visitors, also follow the same request procedure.
if someone walks in, they need proof for all family members living or visiting into their homes as well.


this could surely snowball. what about the coffee shop you stopped at prior to your arrival. what about all your service calls that day, or the week before???


and whos going to enforce this requirement and do all the background checks and surveillance?


looks like a hiring frenzy...


be safe and have a nice day.

[mloudy]

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I am in much closer contact with my wife and child than coworkers. Perhaps they will demand that I add all employee spouses, children and pets to their list next.