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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Sales: Do not call list

    I do most of my sales prospecting by phone. Allow me to rephrase that. I NEVER try to make a sale over the phone. What am I talking about? When I call on a prospect over the phone, I never try to sell them anything. All I'm trying to do is make an appointment to meet face-to-face.

    I have a database (software: PipelineDeals) that I use to track every touch throughout the sales pipeline. So, every time I make contact with a company, the call is recorded and I enter notes in the database. Everyone with me?

    So, there's a big law firm in town and the screening is top level. It's almost impossible to get through to one of the attorneys. Almost that is. There's always a way, though.

    But there's one rule I always adhere to: I NEVER LIE to get a sales prospect on the phone.

    I've called and left voicemails. I've tried to get around the person that answers the phone. No dice. This isn't unusual, by the way. This one was a little more tricky than some but not unusual.

    Anyway, I would always wait about 30 days between calls. That way they would kind of forget about me.

    When I would call, I would never tell them I was with a company. The call would go like this:

    "Bill Carpenter calling for (insert attorney name), is he in, please?

    Her: "No, can I take a message".

    This is where it gets tricky.

    If I tell her that I'm with a copier company, I'm never gonna get thru from this point moving forward. But I can't lie, either. What to do?


    I should mention that on one of the previous calls that I got an email address from the girl that answers the phone.

    Here's what I said next:

    "Just tell him that I was following up on some correspondence...he'll know what I'm talking about."

    That's not a lie. I sent an email a few weeks back.


    She said: "Can I ask what this is pertaining to"?


    I was prepared for this response because....well...I've been doing this for many years. I knew that question was coming next.


    My response?

    This is the most uncomfortable and tricky part of the phone call. What do I say without letting on that I'm a salesman?

    Well, at this point, she's been in charge of the conversation because she's the one asking questions and I'm the one answering. This is about to change and I'm gonna take charge. (Note: I didn't say I was gonna be rude. I'm still very nice but I have to take charge now.)

    Me: "Who is this?"

    Her: "This is Samantha."

    Me: "Samantha, what is your position in the company?

    Her: "I'm the receptionist"

    Me: "Hmmmm."....Just let Mr. Smith know that Bill Carpenter called and that I was following up on some correspondence. That should be enough. Thank you."


    Here's the thing about a phone screener: Their job is to keep sales calls from getting thru to her boss or whomever. However, she needs to make sure that she's putting the important calls thru. These are usually low paid employees that are just trying to do their job so it's important to always be nice. It's nothing personal.

    Anyway, this is getting long so I'm gonna wrap it up.


    The next day the attorney called me back and after a brief discussion, he gave me the name of the person that I need to talk to about the copier and I have an appointment next week.

    You know what's so funny about this? A little over a year ago, I keep calling and they put me on their no call list. I just waited them out. The person answering the phone left and a new person was hired that wasn't aware of the no call list or she forgot or something.

    Never be afraid. Never lie. And never give up. There's always a way.
    Last edited by BillyCarpenter; 04-21-2022, 01:48 PM.
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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Re: Sales: Do not call list

    I'm going thru my CRM (Customer Relations Management) program and I have 10 leads at various levels of the sales pipeline.

    Before I go any further, these are contacts that have been made and were promising enough to get placed in the pipeline and need to be followed up on. Some are further long in the pipeline than others.

    Here's the thing. My closing rate is 1 in 7. That means that for every 7 leads that I put it in the pipe, I make one sale on average. That also means that the other 6 leads get burned. What am I talking about?

    It's all about statistical averages over the long haul. If I have 10 leads and I make a sale, then statistically I can throw 6 of those leads away (in theory)...which means I need to put 6 more leads in the pipeline on top of what I have in there now or the law of averages is gonna bite me in the ass.

    This is called the Law of Replacement. The mistake many sales people make is they stop prospecting and the pipeline gets low. Sometimes they can get so far down that they can't recover and they quit or get fired.

    The secret of selling isn't to have some magical sales pitch. Nope. The secret is you've got to work and find the leads. You don't have to find magic words or be slick. Just work your ass off.
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    • tsbservice
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      Re: Sales: Do not call list

      Cool thread Billy.
      I kinda knew you're much more capable than starting political debates with few others here.
      It's very helpful when someone with deep knowledge and maybe even gifted share their knowledge. I learned a lot and sometimes pass the information to appropriate person to learn from.
      One thing what amazes me - how you can be successful salesperson, good technical and do networking...wow seems a lot of work to me. I constantly refuse to do sales work which I don't have passion to nor understanding because that seems to disrupt my focus from technical aspects which I understand I do love.
      Maybe I'm mistaken?
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      • BillyCarpenter
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        Re: Sales: Do not call list

        Originally posted by tsbservice
        Cool thread Billy.
        I kinda knew you're much more capable than starting political debates with few others here.
        It's very helpful when someone with deep knowledge and maybe even gifted share their knowledge. I learned a lot and sometimes pass the information to appropriate person to learn from.
        One thing what amazes me - how you can be successful salesperson, good technical and do networking...wow seems a lot of work to me. I constantly refuse to do sales work which I don't have passion to nor understanding because that seems to disrupt my focus from technical aspects which I understand I do love.
        Maybe I'm mistaken?


        Have you ever heard this old saying "Sales people are born to sell...you either have it or you don't."

        Well, that's a bunch of bullshit. Sales is a skill just like any other job and it requires training. I read books, watch training videos and talk to other sales people.

        Personally, I love sales, working on electronics and networking. It is difficult to take off my technician hat and put on my sales hat. It's 2 different worlds.


        PS - I need to get off the political boards. It's a big waste of time but I can't seem to break my addiction.
        Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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        • slimslob
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          Re: Sales: Do not call list

          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
          Have you ever heard this old saying "Sales people are born to sell...you either have it or you don't."

          Well, that's a bunch of bullshit. Sales is a skill just like any other job and it requires training. I read books, watch training videos and talk to other sales people.

          Personally, I love sales, working on electronics and networking. It is difficult to take off my technician hat and put on my sales hat. It's 2 different worlds.


          PS - I need to get off the political boards. It's a big waste of time but I can't seem to break my addiction.
          Do what I do, go to a political thread if and only if you have a link to an article that you want to post or have received an email that someone, not on your ignore list, has replied to the thread.

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          • BillyCarpenter
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            Re: Sales: Do not call list

            Lets talk more sales.

            When cold calling on the phone, it's imperative to understand our objectives.

            1. Understand that our objective is to make an appointment with the DM (decision maker) or influencer.

            2. Understand that we're gonna get a lot of pushback and and the majority of calls won't lead to an appointment.

            3. Understand that we're also on a fact finding mission. What kind of copier do they have? Do they own or lease? When is the lease up? What model? How many copies per month? Get as much info. as possible. This will be crucial in the future.

            4. What you want to do is disqualify the person on the other end of the phone. Understand who is in market for a copier NOW or THE NEAR FUTURE. If not, then they are disqualified and it's time to move on to the next call. Don't bang your head against the wall.


            One thing I always like to ask is: Are you happy with your machine and service provider?

            What I'm doing here is leading them to where I want to go.

            Most prospects will say that they're happy with their service provider. What would you say next if you get this response?

            Here's what I say: On a scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate your service provider? Very rarely does anyone ever say a 10. I hear a lot of 7's and 8's.

            The next question I ask is key: What would it take to make them a 10?

            This is the best way that I've found to get a prospect to tell me the shortcoming of their service provider. And now we have something to work with.


            Comments? Suggestions? Critiques?
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