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  • Stirton.M
    All things Konica Minolta

    1,000+ Posts
    • Oct 2009
    • 1804

    #31
    Though I have to admit, that is a decent rig...much better than the one the other guy I spoke of has...the only issues I have with it is that it only sports one case fan and the PSU is a measly 350W.

    At first glance, from experience, those are simply not enough. I am sure you will get decent performance for most desktop and low end games out of the machine, but I fear that if you really put the machine to the task, you may run into heat and stability issues. The video card on its own with plenty of fresh air flow around it can dissipate the heat well. I have a Sapphire variant to the card you have, mine uses a Vapour-X cooling solution on it that is reportedly the best in this series. That said, this is taking the assumption of decent air coming directly over the card. This ensures I am not getting any ambient air from inside the case which can be considerably warmed up by the hard disk, optical drive and onboard chipset. There is no mention of a second case fan aside from the rear unit, which is most likely an exhaust fan. If this machine had a lesser CPU, video and hard disk, I'd say that fan was enough for basic use, but beyond that, a second intake fan would be desirable. Preferably a third in your specific rig, one up front to add cool air for the hard disk, and one on the side panel to give air to the GPU and CPU directly.

    I have 5 large fans on my rig, four 120mm fans in front, side and rear, a 180 on top. Also the PSU has two fans, though the PSU is bottom mounted and draws cool air from underneath the case and exhausts it out the back, so it is independent of the rest of the rig. The fans also have speed control fed from the mainboard to control how fast they spin when the machine is in use, I barely hear them. The CPU has a custom heatsink, a CN10S Flex that can be mounted without a fan in passive mode, but I have an additional 120mm fan on that to draw air through. This fan is also controlled digitally via temperature. The mainboard uses a passive heatpipe type heatsink (factory installed) that also cools the voltage regulators for the whole thing. 8Gb of 1600 DDR3 high performance ram, 6 hard drives in 3 RAID 0 configurations, one set using SATA 3 controller.

    When all said and done, the CPU (AMD Phenom II 965 Quad 3.4Ghz OC'd to 4.1GHz) and system temperatures have never risen above 40C even under full load, the CPU is rated to 90C. The GPU runs considerably hotter under full load, roughly 65C or so.

    All of that powered by an 850W PSU.

    The PSU in your case kind of worries me about being adequate to the task for the GPU and CPU you have. I would have hoped that Dell stuck a 450-500W in there to feed the power demands of the two, along with the hard disk and mainboard. Reading elsewhere, you can put a RAID 0 disk pair in there apparently, that is a bonus, but I think you will most certainly risk system stability with the additional drive and heat inside the case. You may get away with the current setup for some time, but I highly recommend to clean the heat sink fins of dust every 6 months or so on the CPU and GPU...
    "Many years ago I chased a woman for almost two years, only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: we both were crazy about girls."
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    • montana
      Trusted Tech
      • Aug 2008
      • 393

      #32
      i believe it is better than vista..actually i like and used to work on xp..
      regards...

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      • n25an
        Service Manager

        Site Contributor
        1,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2008
        • 1030

        #33
        its got a couple issues... a bit buggy... but then again isn't everything... still its a good OS... a really nice and user friendly OS...
        Sad To Say I Don't Have a Life
        I do this stuff on the weekends too

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        • E Winter

          #34
          I think Win7 is great, running fast and stable. I actually don't desperately wait for a service pack because everything is working fine at my home computer. Unfortunatel the set up of "scan-to-smb" can be a pain in the ass, expecially if the customer doesn't agree to mess around with the security settings. But since I prefer "scan-to-good-old-FTP" anyway there's always a plan B.

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          • mjunkaged
            Trusted Tech

            250+ Posts
            • Feb 2009
            • 383

            #35
            LOVE my Win7 Pro Ultimate ........very nice. Got me desktop set to switch pics every minute of the day.

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            • mrwho
              Major Asshole!

              Site Contributor
              2,500+ Posts
              • Apr 2009
              • 4299

              #36
              Originally posted by mjunkaged
              LOVE my Win7 Pro Ultimate ........very nice. Got me desktop set to switch pics every minute of the day.
              Best use of idle computing resources I've ever read about! Forget about Seti or folding@home, I'm gonna get mine to do that too!
              ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
              Mascan42

              'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

              Ibid

              I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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              • Stirton.M
                All things Konica Minolta

                1,000+ Posts
                • Oct 2009
                • 1804

                #37
                Originally posted by mrwho
                Best use of idle computing resources I've ever read about! Forget about Seti or folding@home, I'm gonna get mine to do that too!

                Lots of porn I take it?

                "Many years ago I chased a woman for almost two years, only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: we both were crazy about girls."
                ---Groucho Marx


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                • mrwho
                  Major Asshole!

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                  • Apr 2009
                  • 4299

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Stirton.M
                  Lots of porn I take it?

                  I've got a 50-DVD spindle roughly half-full with DVDs full of that. I don't use then anymore (ahem!), but I'm saving them for when my kid starts asking about that stuff here at home.

                  "Dad, how was I made?"
                  "Here, kid, take these DVDs and this box of paper tissues - go to your room and cultivate yourself!"
                  ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
                  Mascan42

                  'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

                  Ibid

                  I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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                  • Stirton.M
                    All things Konica Minolta

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 1804

                    #39
                    Originally posted by mrwho
                    I've got a 50-DVD spindle roughly half-full with DVDs full of that. I don't use then anymore (ahem!), but I'm saving them for when my kid starts asking about that stuff here at home.

                    "Dad, how was I made?"
                    "Here, kid, take these DVDs and this box of paper tissues - go to your room and cultivate yourself!"
                    Ahhhh....the mark of a realist!
                    "Many years ago I chased a woman for almost two years, only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: we both were crazy about girls."
                    ---Groucho Marx


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                    • Gibraltar's Ghost
                      Technician
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 15

                      #40
                      I been using it for a while now. I like it. Nice and stable and all pretty and so on so forth. Windows XP suxz

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                      • mrwho
                        Major Asshole!

                        Site Contributor
                        2,500+ Posts
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 4299

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Gibraltar's Ghost
                        I been using it for a while now. I like it. Nice and stable and all pretty and so on so forth. Windows XP suxz
                        I might agree Windows XP can be antiquated (although I still use it a lot on old computers around the house), but to say that it sucks I think it's not appropriate - I believe XP was the main reason Vista was so unsuccessful, because it was an almost-perfect windows system (specially after the Win9x architecture).
                        ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
                        Mascan42

                        'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

                        Ibid

                        I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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                        • kronical
                          Kronic Copier Ninja

                          100+ Posts
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 230

                          #42
                          Originally posted by zed255
                          I'm not yet using it on a routine basis, but I did beta test it and used the release candidates and was pretty happy with it. I wouldn't bother with anything less than Ultimate, the other versions seem too deficient one way or another, especially Home and Starter (a la netbook preinstall). The whole versioning thing bothers me. It's an OS, I'll buy it and choose what to install or not to install, but don't make me choose a version that I may later decide is missing something I need or want and force me to upgrade. This is one of the reasons I use a Mac or PC's running Linux, except for an old box running Server 2003 (that I keep around just cause I can) and my employer's laptop.
                          Ultimate is a waste of money. All it is is Professional with Bitlocker added.

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                          • kronical
                            Kronic Copier Ninja

                            100+ Posts
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 230

                            #43
                            Originally posted by KenB
                            I've argued with my IT department for well over a year now that I have to have Windows 7 on my notebook to be able to effectively troubleshoot in the field.

                            I have already proven to them that there isn't a single application that I run that won't run on Windows 7.

                            I've been told that it will be at least another year or so until I can get upgraded. Sheesh!

                            While "Corporate America" may still be on XP (and that is rapidly changing), our bigger challenge is when we become the psuedo IT department for the Mom and Pop customers.They buy their PCs online and in department stores, and get no choice but to have Windoze 7.

                            It's really difficult to have a working knowledge of something that you don't see on a near daily basis.
                            Although it is true that all of my service apps run just fine in Win7, it is only true if using Win7x86. The majority of the apps will not run on Win7x64.

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                            • zed255
                              How'd ya manage that?

                              1,000+ Posts
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1024

                              #44
                              Originally posted by kronical
                              Ultimate is a waste of money. All it is is Professional with Bitlocker added.
                              You are correct, I had lesser versions like Starter, Home and even Home Premium in mind due to the lesser networking abilities. These versions do often make it into small offices and make life more difficult than it needs to be. So, I adjust me statement to say anything less than Professional is likely to be deficient in one way or another and should be avoided.

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                              • KenB
                                Geek Extraordinaire

                                2,500+ Posts
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 3944

                                #45
                                Totally agreed - only Professional and above are supported.

                                I've had several small offices (one in particular), that had Home Basic or Premium, and none of them worked reliably for scanning to folder.

                                We called the Ricoh help desk several times, and once they found out that these were Home versions, they all but hung up on us, stating that we're on our own with these 'toy" versions.

                                Good point on the 64 bit versions, though. I do know that a bunch of things (like TWAIN scanning, for one), won't run on 64 bit.

                                I had done all my testing with Ultimate 32 bit running on a Micro$oft Virtual Machine session, and it all worked just fine.
                                “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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