George Bush Derangement Syndrome

[Jimbo1]

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jimbo, you have a bad case of Bill Clinton Derangement Syndrome. No matter what the issue is, just make it about Bill Clinton.

Best way to shut up a conservative is to ask questions that require specific answers, like taxes, how much is too much.

No look man I ain't trying to piss you off. But I can help you out with the thing about taxes. I wasn't trying to get anything done to Bill Clinton. All I was pointing out was in one administration we were gearing up for war because we had certain intelligence. The next administration we shouldn't do it and even though it got voted in all around somehow or other Bush lied, when he didn't even come up with the info, it had been around for a long time. I had heard once that Saddam started the WMD thing to get nations around him to leave him alone and he had already gassed the Kurds so it gave some credence to it.

Look at this vid about taxes. ow it's simplistic but the idea is sound:

YouTube - ‪Bar Stool Economics and How Taxes Work‬‏

[Jimbo1]

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It really is not about Bush. It is about all the political leaders that were in office during all or part of the Bush years, that rubber stamped everything. Am I wrong or were we not asshole deep in debt in Bushes 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th years. I do not recall seeing the right wing of this country saying anything about it. I do not recall any Republicans trying to shut down the government or hold it hostage until spending cuts were made. I believe we should tax the rich. What is the big fight about? It is over 3%. Bush tax cuts took the tax rate for the rich and cut it from 37% to 34%. Three per cent. That is all. It would help balance the budget and solve a lot of problems, but the right wing of this country compares rich people having to go back to that old tax rate as the same thing as living under Hitler and Stalin. I am so sick and tired of listening to that segment of the population talk out of one side of their mouth about how this is the greatest place in the world and then out of the other side of their mouth they wine and cry about how they are being taxed to death. When I look at my check and how much I pay to live in America, I think it is a bargain.
Are any of you Americans taxed to death? The amount taken out of my check is not that much compared to what I get in return. I think if you whine about it costing to much to live here should be forced to live in a third world country for a year. You can not come back early, you gotta stay the whole year.
Can anybody give me any examples of massive tax cuts creating jobs. I mean there have been Republican strongholds where the Governor and state reps are overwhelming Republican. So I would think in these right wing strongholds, state income taxes are ultra low and jobs are everywhere because corporate taxes are so low. Where are these places? How come these places are not given as examples of how conservative politics are the best way to go. Does anybody have examples of how the Bush tax cuts that have been in place for years have created any jobs. Since these tax cuts have been in place for years making the wealthy even wealthier, surely someone can show examples, using data, facts and figures to prove this Republican talking point.
You see jimbo, it is not about Bush. It is about the whole big lie. Like drug laws. America has a larger percentage of its population in jail than any where else. Most of those prisoners are in jail for drug violations. Well the right wing says that we must fight the war on drugs. We spend billions and never get closer to winning it. But we keep a lot of people locked up and ruin their lives while cutting funding for schools to try to balance the budget. That does not make sense to me. Facts and figures do not back this up as rational thinking.
I do not think politicians should be allowed to talk about taxes unless they use exact figures. For example, all of my deductions put together take away 1 sixth of my pay. That includes state tax and medicare and SS. I do not think I am getting screwed, but if someone can explain to me how I am, I will listen. Thanks for reading my rant.

I am happy to read your rant, please give what I am saying a chance here.

As for tax cuts, here is an article from the left:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkleft.com%2Fstory%2F2011%2F6%2F14%2F10138%2F0668&rct=j&q=tax%20cuts%20create%20jobs&ei=6YIQTuyoIIGx0AHEztGSDg&usg=AFQjCNFMS6rhhjr6lnTiEJx4uGa8TUKijQ&cad=rja

[Hemlock]

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Question. WHY IS MOST OF THE ITEMS SOLD IN THIS COUNTRY MADE IN CHINA.

Because you tax the hell out of the corparation attatude

We cut corporate taxes for years. Where the hell are the jobs they promised?

[charm5496]

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jimbo, you have a bad case of Bill Clinton Derangement Syndrome. No matter what the issue is, just make it about Bill Clinton.

Best way to shut up a conservative is to ask questions that require specific answers, like taxes, how much is too much.

And I guess we can call welfare a success???? Lets through some more money away on it and raise our taxes even higher. These issues stem back 70 years now and they are not getting any better. Neither side knows what to do to solve the issues that are bringing this country down and this thread is mircocosm of what is going on in Washington. You spat back and forth about these issues and give us links to reports that are skewed in favor of one party or the other, but where are the solutions?

And honestly can a president change a county by himself...probably not, but the impression that Obama gives is one that gives little confidence to me and I made mistake voting for him in the last election...not that the other choice was much better but that is another story. All of the elected people in Wasington need to start working for the country again and not a political party run by different special interests groups to further an agenda that benefits them and not the people. And until the people actually take the time to educate themselves and show up on election day and vote the merry go round will keep on spinning just like this thread!!!

[Jimbo1]

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We cut corporate taxes for years. Where the hell are the jobs they promised?

Who, The Current Administration?

[fixthecopier]

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I will keep asking.....What should the tax rate be for all? How can people talk taxes without giving figures and tax brackets???

[Jimbo1]

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I will keep asking.....What should the tax rate be for all? How can people talk taxes without giving figures and tax brackets???

I think we should have a fair tax, with a rate set for all period and alieve oursevles of the IRS.

None of my original article had anything to do with taxes. That's just the diversion.

[HenryT2]

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From Fix the copier >>>>>>>>They firmly believe that cutting programs for the poor is the way to pay for the war, after all if you are a right wing Christian, all you need to do is ask yourself "What would Jesus do?". And we all know that the bible says to make the rich even wealthier, screw the poor, lets make war. That is the way Jesus would want it.

Somehow, I missed reading that in the Bible : It may be there , it may not , I do not know . But " What would Jesus do? " Perhaps ' GIVE TO THE NEEDY......NOT THE GREEDY ' .

' welfare...when used correctly is a fairly good thing . " HELP the needy ......not the greedy "

TAXES ............. Give ma a FLAT TAX 10 % Straight Across The Board >> YEAH I KNOW this will cause unemployment, due to the fact that we will not need all the IRS agents . OH YEAH >> or all the print shops that print the 1040's . The USPS , don't need a stamp for those who do not file electronically, OOPS , forgot about Jackson Hewitt , and all the others that do tax forms for individuals. WELL NEVERMIND !! Even though a flat tax would pay off in the long run, we cannot do it 'cause of all the problems it would create .

Maybe instead we can get Congress to pay themselves a NORMAL wage , use regular insurance ( like the rest of us ) pay into Social Security ( not get their current salary for the rest of their life ) NAH , that probably wouldn't work either .

OH WELL

Guess we just have to keep enduring our current mess .

" GOD BLESS AMERICA "

[charm5496]

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problem is the "needy" turn into the "greedy" and abuse the system.

Go with the flat tax and put the out of work IRS agents in charge of the welfare system!!!!

[RRodgers]

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I will keep asking.....What should the tax rate be for all? How can people talk taxes without giving figures and tax brackets???

Flat tax, fair and done.

[fixthecopier]

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Thats what I knew I would hear, A 10% flat tax would reduce the tax for the rich from 34% to 10%, a whopping 24% reduction in taxes. We as a country would be bankrupt in a week.

[tinnyjay]

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George W. Bush Derangment Syndrome

When they're EX,all of them are with different syndroms.
This means when they are on duty,suffer from a syndrome.
You must find the syndrome they have when they're on the duty.

[Jimbo1]

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Actually it would go something like this.

A Brief Guide to the Flat Tax | The Heritage Foundation

[copyruss]

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I'll stir the pot a bit. I've been a proponent of the Fair Tax for years. Here's a comparison of the current tax policy, the Flat Tax and the Fair Tax. You are taxed on what you spend, not what you earn. No loopholes, no special provisions, just taxed on what is consumed. Take the time to read it and then debate if you can.

http://www.pafairtax.org/resrcs/FlatTaxFairTaxComparison.pdf

[Hemlock]

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Like the idea of a consumption based tax; taxed once at the time of purchase, all purchases (aside from medicine) are taxable. It'd encourage saving while minimizing the tax nightmare we all endure.