Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

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  • igi
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    #16
    Re: one for mitt romney in az

    Originally posted by tomcatt
    Go mitt
    ooo the little kittens lost they mittons

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    • Hemlock
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      #17
      Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

      Originally posted by Shadow1
      Obamaphones
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      “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” (Isaac Asimov)

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      • Darren King
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        #18
        Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

        Originally posted by Shadow1

        Obamacare is yet another step toward Marxism.
        .
        Do you really think the government actually trying to help the regular person instead of the rich is "marxism"?
        Wow! Kinda makes you wonder.
        I guess if you would rather pay for every visit to the doctor or hospital they may let you opt out. I bet you don't though.

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        • Shadow1
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          Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

          Originally posted by Darren King
          Do you really think the government actually trying to help the regular person instead of the rich is "marxism"?
          Wow! Kinda makes you wonder.
          I guess if you would rather pay for every visit to the doctor or hospital they may let you opt out. I bet you don't though.
          Nooo... Marxism by definition calls for government/communist control of basically all social and economic factors in life. Therefore, Marxism is the government telling insurance companies what coverage they will and won't provide, and what they will charge. Marxism is telling every American they must PURCHASE it with money from their own pocket even if it forces them to pay for coverage they don't want, need, or violates their religious beliefs. Forcing American citizens to pay for coverage they don't want is bad enough, but congress exempting themselves and their union boss cronies is worse, and outright giving it to illegals is beyond stupid.

          To answer your last question, Yes, I did look at stopping all contributions to my health insurance, and placing those funds into an HSA account... which Obamacare is making illegal to do so... It's over $5,000 a year for my family's premiums through my employer, then it's another $3,000 in deductibles before they pay a dime, which even then they only pay 80%. 10 years ago I had pretty good coverage, and it is still available, but would cost over $10,000 for my family of four - I paid $2,200 for it back then, and most of the outrageous inflation has been in the last 3 years.
          73 DE W5SSJ

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          • Hemlock
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            #20
            Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

            HSAs aren't banned under PPACA, just regulated. And, do you really think that you can save enough to pay for your wife's bout with breast cancer or your kid's leukemia treatments? We can do much more with pooled resources. And don't give me this song and dance about how you'll just stay home, sick and dying, when your HSA is as empty as your version of christianity - you're gonna call 911.

            Increased insurance has as much to do with an aging population and poor general health as anything. As Mississippi is one of the states with the highest percentage of obese residents; you'd be doing a greater service to yourself, ultimately, if you helped your neighbors get started with a healthier lifestyle. Ask your (overweight) coworker to go walking at lunch. Play frisbee with the people on your block. Do something other than sticking your head in the sand and bitching.

            I like (sarcasm alert) how you bitch that insurance companies raised deductibles and raised your premiums yet absofuckinglutely don't want the gov't to regulate them. Heaven forbid that they should have to spend any of your premiums on keeping you healthy or fixing what ails you.

            /facepalm
            “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” (Isaac Asimov)

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            • Darren King
              copiertech

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              #21
              Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

              Originally posted by Shadow1
              Nooo... Marxism by definition calls for government/communist control of basically all social and economic factors in life. Therefore, Marxism is the government telling insurance companies what coverage they will and won't provide, and what they will charge. Marxism is telling every American they must PURCHASE it with money from their own pocket even if it forces them to pay for coverage they don't want, need, or violates their religious beliefs. Forcing American citizens to pay for coverage they don't want is bad enough, but congress exempting themselves and their union boss cronies is worse, and outright giving it to illegals is beyond stupid.

              To answer your last question, Yes, I did look at stopping all contributions to my health insurance, and placing those funds into an HSA account... which Obamacare is making illegal to do so... It's over $5,000 a year for my family's premiums through my employer, then it's another $3,000 in deductibles before they pay a dime, which even then they only pay 80%. 10 years ago I had pretty good coverage, and it is still available, but would cost over $10,000 for my family of four - I paid $2,200 for it back then, and most of the outrageous inflation has been in the last 3 years.

              Marxism, by definition, is not a dictatorship or communism. You seem to have your ideologies mixed up.

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              • MR Bill
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                #22
                Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

                Well in our little voting poll here the dem idiots lost to the rep idiots 16 to 11. I guess it tells you that most of the office equipment service techs are REAL SMART. Some anyway.

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                • Ctl-Alt-Del
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                  #23
                  Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

                  Please don't try to bring actual facts into this debate, you'll just ruin it for everyone.

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                  • Tonerbomb
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                    #24
                    Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

                    Originally posted by Ctl-Alt-Del
                    Please don't try to bring actual facts into this debate, you'll just ruin it for everyone.

                    Now thats the response I expect from a bleeding heart liberal !!!
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                    • Shadow1
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                      #25
                      Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

                      Originally posted by Hemlock
                      HSAs aren't banned under PPACA, just regulated.
                      <SNIP>
                      I like (sarcasm alert) how you bitch that insurance companies raised deductibles and raised your premiums yet absofuckinglutely don't want the gov't to regulate them. Heaven forbid that they should have to spend any of your premiums on keeping you healthy or fixing what ails you.
                      Never said HSA's were banned, just that you can't use one in place of insurance, no matter if you were able to put $1M in it. Neither do I really want to use an HSA in place of true insurance, but that's the financial position I'm in - looking at what I paid in premiums and deductibles, and I'm on the losing end - I know there's a good chance that will catch up to me, but if I can't afford it, then I can't afford it... It's a gamble, but it's trying to put a little insurance on that bet when it's the only move you can make.

                      Also never said I don't want the government to do something about the astronomical cost of health insurance, but Obamacare is NOT the answer - it has only been making things worse. The GAO told us up front that it would cause rates to rise much faster than if we did nothing. It needs repealed and replaced with something that has a snowball's chance in hell at actually working - and the absolutely least efficient and most expensive way of doing anything is and has always been a government agency.
                      Last edited by Shadow1; 11-24-2012, 09:58 PM.
                      73 DE W5SSJ

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                      • Shadow1
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                        #26
                        Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

                        Originally posted by Darren King
                        Marxism, by definition, is not a dictatorship or communism. You seem to have your ideologies mixed up.
                        No... Marxism is worse. It's founded on those principals, but has a few sneaky twists that in essence make a system where you're responsible for the government's interference and inevitable screw-ups.
                        73 DE W5SSJ

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                        • Shadow1
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                          #27
                          Re: Poll: How did you cast your ballot?

                          ...under (D) controlled Congress. In any case, when Obama supporters are bragging "Obama gave us a phone, let's see what else he can do..." and people are calling them Obamaphones it's a backended form of electioneering.
                          73 DE W5SSJ

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