Where the rubber meets the road.

[Chameleon]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

Atheism- life has no meaning. nothing really matters.
Evolution - life was an accident. there is no right or wrong only impulses.
Mohammed- it is ok to kill people, even women and children, if they do not choose to believe.
Jesus - woe to those that lead children astray.
Some choice there. Jesus had God tell him what to do and he was not dangerous.
I appreciate you bringing up a fine point of the law about age of consent, you only make a stronger case for Jesus.

[Akitu]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

I will only state two words as the entirety of my newest addition to this discussion.

Majority rule.

The majority says it's wrong, despite the opinions of the offender, then it's wrong.

[Darren King]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

That is exactly what I am saying. Case and point: Jerry Sandusky, a fairly dangerous person right?? His "morality" inside him said this was "the right thing to do". He reached a certain point of maturity in his life and thought having sex with boys was his way of loving them. He loved them, the harm didn't come from him, it came from those pesky people with morals that brought shame. Don't misunderstand me, an atheist can tell good from bad. An atheist can say killing that person was bad. An atheist can say raping that woman was bad. Hurting other people is bad. Consensual sex is good. For those of you who don't know pedophiles almost always have the consent of the children and pleasure is involved. As soon as an atheist or evolutionist says Jerry is wrong he is contradicting his beliefs. He is saying "a line does exist". Either something is wrong because people say(opinions) so or it is wrong because it is intrinsically(God) wrong. Jerry lived exactly what he believed. All an atheist/evolutionist can say is they have a different opinion than Jerry. A theist can say He was wrong.

There are such things as sociopaths who do not believe they are doing anything wrong. They know the difference between right and wrong but that it doesn't pertain them personally. That rules are for other people. All they care about is themselves.
You can't base your argument on one certain small portion of the population.

[mrwho]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

Atheism- life has no meaning. nothing really matters.

If my life didn't have a meaning, then why would I have a job, why would I have a family, why would I raise a child?

"God" has no meaning. In order of relevance, there's:

1) my family,
2) my family's family,
3) my friends,
4) my neighbors,
5) my fellow citizens,
6) my fellow countrymen and women,
7) and the rest of the world.

Religion has no place whatsoever in my consideration - if anything, is something to read about, along with sports and all the other shenanigans. It has no influence whatsoever in my life, except for the influence of those who wants my life to be influenced by it.

Now, if Jesus brings you comfort, then by all means embrace it. I'm happy for you. As for me, I need religion as much as a fish needs a bicycle.

[Darren King]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

[QUOTE=mrwho;351972 As for me, I need religion as much as a fish needs a bicycle.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure evolution will produce a bicyclefish in a couple million years. It is just the natural progression of things. I can't wait. lol

[mrwho]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

I'm sure evolution will produce a bicyclefish in a couple million years. It is just the natural progression of things. I can't wait. lol

Either that or god will make one for our amusement.

[Chameleon]

it has no meaningyou want to assign some meaning to it. If a bunch of people get together and saymake a society with rules, jobs and family, fine. But the bottom line is this: if life was an accident any meaning people assign to it is nothing more than an illusion. A lot of atheists realize this and just say eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die. No God = Life has no meaning and nothing really matters. Which makes me wonder why an atheist does anything. I have a feeling many people here are not truly atheists. I still wondered why it matters to an atheist or evolutionist if a pedophile says they . I guess the answer for the moment is majorityintentionally made these things. Since it was intentional there is meaning to it. Pedophiles are wrong no matter what any person says.

[mrwho]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

My reality is there is a God. The universe was no accident. Life was no accident. God intentionally made these things. Since it was intentional there is meaning to it.

Well, whatever rocks your boat.

Pedophiles are wrong no matter what any person says.

Now that I can agree with.

Ultimately, adding to what I said before, here's another small rule of mine:

- Whatever people want to think, no matter how weird, bad or obnoxious, they've got the right of thinking it. They're thoughts, so no harm done. You think god exists? Go ahead. You think god doesn't exist? Fine. You think you're great and the rest of the world is inhabited by jerks? You're probably right. As long as your thoughts don't translate to harmful or illegal actions, thoughts are just thoughts.

The world would be a much better place if racists would only think about other shitty races, if criminals could only think about the perfect crimes and if pedophiles could only think about the cute boy from across the street.

[Chameleon]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

The pedophile is violating the child's rights and therefore in violation of the law.

as long as it doesn't affect anyone else, you're free to do it

This crosses the line.

Some lines you just don't cross!

true atheist would not care what pedophiles do, life simply has no meaning to a true atheist. Same can be said about an evolutionist, a true evolutionistto cross, they are contradicting atheism/evolution. When you "believe" there is a such thing as right and wrong, you are acknowledging theism is true and atheism is false. Don't misunderstand me, there is a huge difference between believing in right and wrong and doing whats right or wrong. The fact that the majority of people do care

[mrwho]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

life simply has no meaning to a true atheist.

Why?

[Chameleon]

true atheist life has no purpose or meaning. So what atheists believe is mostly contradicted by how they live. Accidentwithout a deliberate plan or cause; chance; fortune; luck. However, just about everyone I know thinks and lives as though life does have some meaning. Every attempt to assign meaning to life is either contradicting atheism or attempting to redefine it. My guess is what they believe is closer to an agnostic or deist. By contrast, if life was no accident and intentional..... Intentionalpurpose. Purpose - the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc.

[Jules Winfield]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

I am Jack's complete lack of interest...

[Darren King]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

true atheist life has no purpose or meaning. So what atheists believe is mostly contradicted by how they live. Accidentwithout a deliberate plan or cause; chance; fortune; luck. However, just about everyone I know thinks and lives as though life does have some meaning. Every attempt to assign meaning to life is either contradicting atheism or attempting to redefine it. My guess is what they believe is closer to an agnostic or deist. By contrast, if life was no accident and intentional..... Intentionalpurpose. Purpose - the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc.

Your argument is like me saying, "you drive a car and cars run over people therefore you run over people with you car".
Just because someone says they are an atheist doesn't mean they think life has no meaning. That is a ridiculous statement.

[Chameleon]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

says they are an atheist doesn't mean they think life has no meaning.

My point was, there is a vast difference between what most atheists believe and what most atheists do. Like I said, most people I know attach meaning to life and are good people. This is a discussion about pedophiles and moral relativism.

[Chameleon]

Re: Where the rubber meets the road.

Your argument is like me saying, "you drive a car and cars run over people therefore you run over people with you car".

That is nothing like my argument. My argument goes like this: I call myself an independent, then proceed to vote for 99% republican and 1% democrat.