Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

[Mehlmo]

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First Gen Lexmark.. when they started going MFP on a printer

[Hansen88]

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I've worked on plenty of crap machines during my 25 years in this business. When I was a Lanier tech back in the mid 90s, there was a Panasonic in their line that was horrible to work on. I don't remember the model number. Then, when I started on the Toshiba analogs, the 1550 ate everybody's lunch. Their first attempts at digital were miserable too. I hated anything with a model number starting with DP. The e-studio line was not bad, maybe because I had gotten used to Toshibas by then. The worst thing they ever did though, was the Toshiba-Oki hybrid from Hell. The e407CS color and e477S b/w series are service nightmares. Doc feeds with cheap gears that don't mesh well, drums and fusers that never reach their expected life, and any other thing that needs to be replaced takes half a day to get to it.

I felt the opposite, we had a lot of DP models out and for the most part they ran ok. The main problem was the duplex drawer was terrible. We had not good luck with the e studio models. Still overall toshiba was the worst brand of the ones I have worked on.

[ianstevens44]

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There were so many shitters out there. My old boss used to buy up the cheapest crap from the trade and sell them off on a 5 year lease and I would have the job of trying to pacify the poor customers whose machines would be lucky to last a week. One of my most hated was the Canon NP6521 affectionately known as the board blower. I was installing one once and had a mental CQ issue that suddenly occurred on demo and ended up having to strip it to its bear bones which didn't overly impress the customer lol. I also enjoyed working on the Tosh BD8412. It was never embarrassing at all asking the customer to help you lift the dirty great pile of shit off it's duplex as it sat underneath the machine and there was no other way to get to it. Panacronics with their rubber transfer belts, Canon NP4540 used to have to change the drums every month as they speckled up with hard toner I think due to the internal heat blanket but never really did get to the bottom of that issue.

[LB-NS-TECH]

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E-studio 3511 / 4511

To Travis06: Have you ever had to replace the main drive belt on the e-Studio 3511/4511? That is a real nightmare! Takes a long time, too.

[LB-NS-TECH]

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E Studio 3511/4511

To sharshiba: I worked on those e-Studio 3511/4511. You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, those models were complete junk! Did you ever have to replace the main drive belt in the back of the copier? That REALLY takes a lot of time!

[euro scott]

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i thought the liquid SAVIN 770,880s if i remember correct were solid..
Having to work on the old powder minolta EP510/ AND 710 WERE just pure pigs with powder everywhere...............

Savin 770/80 series ran pretty good, I had many that ran 60k a month, now if we compare those to the 790 those were crap.

[mike_hartung]

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Which Savin Model series was it from around 1986 that could supposedly copy in colors other that black, by pumping out the developer reservoir and filling/mixing in a new/different color?

I remember a sales pitch from a Savin salesman. Maybe he was pulling my leg!

The Savin V-35, 7350, and 7450 all had the color option available. To copy in RED, BLUE, GREEN, or BLACK. It took about 3-4 minutes to switch colors. There was 4 tanks. 1 for each color and a flush tank. After selecting a new color the machine would pump out the old color back into it's tank, then switch to the flush tank to flush out the old color from the drum, developer tray, cleaning blade and cleaning roller. After flushing it would then switch to the selected color and pump it to the developer tray to make copies in that color. There were hoses form each of the tanks to the developer tray, and priming nozzle. I remember the gasket seal at the priming nozzle was the worst. Constant leaks. I remember I would install 2 or 3 gaskets to try to get a seal. Nightmare machine.

[monarke4]

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Just got this notice in my inbox, couldn't agree with you more, you needed to be a plumber as well as a copier tech! Close second for the Savin 880/3 or the system 800, honorable mention to anything with Landa in the name. Cheers!

Which Savin Model series was it from around 1986 that could supposedly copy in colors other that black, by pumping out the developer reservoir and filling/mixing in a new/different color?

I remember a sales pitch from a Savin salesman. Maybe he was pulling my leg!

[fshead]

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i thought the liquid SAVIN 770,880s if i remember correct were solid..
Having to work on the old powder minolta EP510/ AND 710 WERE just pure pigs with powder everywhere...............

[tonerleak]

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I had to restart this thread. My personal nightmare was any liquid Savin machine. I worked on them from 1979 until they were finally all replaced sometime in the 90's. My hands were permanently stained for 10 years straight. No wonder my wife left me. I moonlighted as a carpet cleaner just to keep the customers happy. The worse was the V-35 with the 4 color option. I would like to kill the engineer that came up with that one.

Just got this notice in my inbox, couldn't agree with you more, you needed to be a plumber as well as a copier tech! Close second for the Savin 880/3 or the system 800, honorable mention to anything with Landa in the name. Cheers!

[mike_hartung]

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I had to restart this thread. My personal nightmare was any liquid Savin machine. I worked on them from 1979 until they were finally all replaced sometime in the 90's. My hands were permanently stained for 10 years straight. No wonder my wife left me. I moonlighted as a carpet cleaner just to keep the customers happy. The worse was the V-35 with the 4 color option. I would like to kill the engineer that came up with that one.

[SkipL]

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SAVIN 840 - Streaks and lines that you could never get rid of easily. Also, customers would move them close to a wall and the scanner would strike the wall spilling the LTL solution everywhere and tearing up the scan clutch. Cost a lot of money in early 1980 for that junk so customers were always pissed.

[POPEYE]

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konicaminolta bizhub 420/421 ,600/750 ,601/751 ,950all from konica print engine design

[monarke4]

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I see this process seems susceptible to print head clogging.... But then again if you used the wrong kind of generic solid ink in a Xerox it can be permanently damaged.

YouTube

Apparently one person can assemble it with the help of a crane.....

Assembling Of MFP E77650 By One Person!!!

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At 19:56 the tech is fanning and bending the ream of paper, why? This procedure went out in the late 1970s, right?

[monarke4]

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Apparently one person can assemble it with the help of a crane.....

Assembling Of MFP E77650 By One Person!!!

YouTube

At 19:56 the tech is fanning and bending the ream of paper, why? This procedure went out in the late 1970s, right?

Can you expand on your discontent with the 77650? I have a new Toshiba A3 laser MFP quote to replace a very old Kyocera but the IT Administrator/ Decision maker is a HP fan and does not want to believe me that he is making a bad choice. In this case, a finisher is not required.