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  • Leebs14
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    • Feb 2014
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    #1

    SMB1 turned off in latest security update

    We have a number of Sharp MXC300W machines in a company here in the U.K. And following the ransomware attack last week, the IT guys have implemented some new security updates and one of them
    Is to switch off SMB1. Since doing this the Sharp machines won't scan and give the CE-00 code consult your network administrator.

    According to Sharp the MXC300W uses SMB2 so why switching off smb1 seems to have stopped it working seems odd??

    They are going to reboot the server and router etc tonight to see if that cures the issue.

    Anyone come across anything like this?


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  • slimslob
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    Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

    Originally posted by Leebs14
    We have a number of Sharp MXC300W machines in a company here in the U.K. And following the ransomware attack last week, the IT guys have implemented some new security updates and one of them
    Is to switch off SMB1. Since doing this the Sharp machines won't scan and give the CE-00 code consult your network administrator.

    According to Sharp the MXC300W uses SMB2 so why switching off smb1 seems to have stopped it working seems odd??

    They are going to reboot the server and router etc tonight to see if that cures the issue.

    Anyone come across anything like this?


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    When Microsoft introduced Windows 8/Server 2012R2, they went to SMB 3, It was supposed to br backward compatible. It was not for most MFPs. At least for the US, most MFP manufactures wrote new firmware to accommodate SMB 32. You may need to update firmware

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    • MattL
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      • Apr 2012
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      #3
      Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

      The following devices support SMBv1 and SMBv2

      MXC301W
      MX-M266N/316N/356N
      MX-M364N/464N/564N
      MX-M365N/465N/565N
      MX-M654N/754N
      MX-M1055/1205

      The following devices support SMBv1, SMBv2 and SMBv3

      MX3050N/3550N/4050N/5050N/6050N
      MX3060N/3560N/4060N
      MX3070N/3570N/4070N/5070N/6070N

      All other devices that support scan to network folder support SMBv1 only.

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      • Brianneoe
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        #4
        Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

        Heads up to all, The new Windows 10 security update is killing SMB scan to folder. I assumed that because my Ricoh units has firmware that supports SMB V3 that this was not going to be a problem. Ricoh has confirmed that the new MS updates are disabling SMB and they are working on a solution for a fix but it is going to take time. I had a customers IT department confirm to me yesterday that after rolling back the update their new Ricoh units were able to scan to folder but because of the damage that this virus can cause they reinstalled the update. They will use email for the time being.

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        • rthonpm
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          • Aug 2007
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          #5
          Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

          Originally posted by Brianneoe
          Heads up to all, The new Windows 10 security update is killing SMB scan to folder. I assumed that because my Ricoh units has firmware that supports SMB V3 that this was not going to be a problem. Ricoh has confirmed that the new MS updates are disabling SMB and they are working on a solution for a fix but it is going to take time. I had a customers IT department confirm to me yesterday that after rolling back the update their new Ricoh units were able to scan to folder but because of the damage that this virus can cause they reinstalled the update. They will use email for the time being.
          It's going to be interesting to see just how far back Ricoh goes for adding SMB2 to their devices. My hope would be that at the very least the MP models would have support for the feature activated, after all it's likely just a simple change in the samba config file.

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          • slimslob
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            Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

            Originally posted by Brianneoe
            Heads up to all, The new Windows 10 security update is killing SMB scan to folder. I assumed that because my Ricoh units has firmware that supports SMB V3 that this was not going to be a problem. Ricoh has confirmed that the new MS updates are disabling SMB and they are working on a solution for a fix but it is going to take time. I had a customers IT department confirm to me yesterday that after rolling back the update their new Ricoh units were able to scan to folder but because of the damage that this virus can cause they reinstalled the update. They will use email for the time being.
            From what I have come to understand, the security update is turning off only the SMB v1 portion. Even though current Ricoh firmware can scan to SMB v3, it still depends on SMB v1 for initial connection, then hands off to the v3 portion of the firmware for actually writing the file to the target. This is based on the fact that older machines that needed update gave a failure to write to target error.

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            • ruben
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              • Oct 2012
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              #7
              Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

              I have to attend a MPC307 (released last year), that is having 'trouble' scanning to folder.

              More than likely SMB has been disabled on the server by their I.T.

              For now all I can recommend is the customer either scans to folder on an isolated server, or to email.

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              • slimslob
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                Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                [QUOTE=ruben;564018]I have to attend a MPC307 (released last year), that is having 'trouble' scanning to folder.

                More than likely SMB has been disabled on the server by their I.T./[Quote]

                Most likely turned off by the Microsoft security patch.

                For now all I can recommend is the customer either scans to folder on an isolated server, or to email.
                You mean that for a change you are not recommending FTP?

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                • mbcruzin
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                  • Aug 2013
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                  #9
                  Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                  I also have a Sharp MX266N that will not scan to folder. Machine works fine for Scan to email. Also machine doesn't have a HDD

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                  • rthonpm
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                    #10
                    Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                    Has Ricoh released any TSB or announcement on the SMB1 issue yet?

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                    • slimslob
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                      #11
                      Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                      Originally posted by rthonpm
                      Has Ricoh released any TSB or announcement on the SMB1 issue yet?
                      Nothing yet on TSRC Whats New or on esource.

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                      • mbcruzin
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                        • Aug 2013
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                        #12
                        Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                        Originally posted by mbcruzin
                        I also have a Sharp MX266N that will not scan to folder. Machine works fine for Scan to email. Also machine doesn't have a HDD
                        Used LDAP for athentication and file sharing. Here is a link an IT friend found.

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                        • davel
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                          • Oct 2011
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                          #13
                          Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                          From Ricoh Australia hope the attachment is there.
                          Attached Files

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                          • CanonSco
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                            • Jul 2010
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                            #14
                            Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                            Had a few call this week for this. On the Xerox kit a software upgrade to a version from over 18 months ago released to target this issue ( not WannaCry but the removal of smb1 ) solved it.

                            Anyone managed to get a working solution on Canon IRC range. Have a 3380 with same problem, updated to latest fw ( albeit from 2015 ) but does not fix.

                            Cheers
                            Yes, I am a nerd.
                            Gaming PC - check. Raspberry Pi - Check. Custom ROM on phone - check. Thick glasses - check.

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                            • ruben
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                              • Oct 2012
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                              #15
                              Re: SMB1 turned off in latest security update

                              Sharp UK recently released this schedule for their firmware releases, in regards to the Wannacry attacks:

                              Sharp WannaCrypt Ransomware Attacks.pdf

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