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  • Jeff M.
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    • Dec 2010
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    SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

    Hi all.

    I sell Kyocera, and I usually set up SMB scan when the customer wants scanning. Most times it works fine, a few times Kaspersky or McAfee blocks it but can get around that. It seems lately I'm having more problems with 2101 errors on Windows 10. I had two just today, one with a KM-4050 and one with an M2035mfp. Both are using Windows 10 (I don't know what version, but I will find that out. Honestly, I didn't know there were different versions until this forum. I still use Win 7 on my shop computer. I'm not an IT guy, just a small two man shop who needs to connect these basically on my own. 90% of the time I can get it working. In reading these posts, there are some things I don't fully understand, and hopefully can get some info from those more knowledgeable than I.

    Here's what I've done: I've created a folder on the root of "C" drive, shared it with everyone and changed to Read/Write. Made sure user name and password were correct, checked on "Turn on or off Windows Features" and made sure SMB boxes were all checked. Tried both host name and IP address, and as far as I know, any firewall is turned off (one doesn't have one except windows firewall, and the other I definitely shut off), and always get a 2101 error.

    I did not check DNS settings (I didn't think about it, but I thought that only mattered with host name). I don't know if port 139 or 445 is on, I don't know how to check that. The KM-4050 uses port 139 and the M2035 uses port 445.

    Both the 4050 and M2035 are currently being used for scanning by 4 or 5 other computers (I believe all windows 7 or 8), both locations just want to add an additional computer and user.

    Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks! Jeff M.
  • tsbservice
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    #2
    Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

    You may want to read this thread:
    Kyocera TA-8001i scan to smb error 2101
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    • D_L_P
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      • Oct 2009
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      #3
      Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

      Originally posted by Jeff M.
      Hi all.

      I sell Kyocera, and I usually set up SMB scan when the customer wants scanning. Most times it works fine, a few times Kaspersky or McAfee blocks it but can get around that. It seems lately I'm having more problems with 2101 errors on Windows 10. I had two just today, one with a KM-4050 and one with an M2035mfp. Both are using Windows 10 (I don't know what version, but I will find that out. Honestly, I didn't know there were different versions until this forum. I still use Win 7 on my shop computer. I'm not an IT guy, just a small two man shop who needs to connect these basically on my own. 90% of the time I can get it working. In reading these posts, there are some things I don't fully understand, and hopefully can get some info from those more knowledgeable than I.

      Here's what I've done: I've created a folder on the root of "C" drive, shared it with everyone and changed to Read/Write. Made sure user name and password were correct, checked on "Turn on or off Windows Features" and made sure SMB boxes were all checked. Tried both host name and IP address, and as far as I know, any firewall is turned off (one doesn't have one except windows firewall, and the other I definitely shut off), and always get a 2101 error.

      I did not check DNS settings (I didn't think about it, but I thought that only mattered with host name). I don't know if port 139 or 445 is on, I don't know how to check that. The KM-4050 uses port 139 and the M2035 uses port 445.

      Both the 4050 and M2035 are currently being used for scanning by 4 or 5 other computers (I believe all windows 7 or 8), both locations just want to add an additional computer and user.

      Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks! Jeff M.
      A 2101 error sounds like it can't find the share. Try this, go to another computer on the network hold down the windows key + R. The run box should open. Type \\hostipaddress\share
      Where the ip address is the computer where the folder is setup, and the share is the name of the shared folder. It may ask for credentials, but this is the easiest way to test your shared folder setup.

      The username/password you used, was it an email/Microsoft account? I've had to setup a separate local user every time the customer is using an email/Microsoft account to access any shares on Win 10.

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      • ntbann
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        • Jan 2012
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        #4
        Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

        Im not sure if those models will scan to SMB V2/3.

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        • bsm2
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          • Feb 2008
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          #5
          Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

          Use scan to FTP via filezilla server

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          • mincopier
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            #6
            Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

            Originally posted by bsm2
            Use scan to FTP via filezilla server
            Filezilla is great and all but just for scanning it is a little robust

            Try Quick and easy FTP server lite.

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            • NeoMatrix
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              #7
              Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

              FTP scan to a NAS(private cloud)... No additional Windows software required.
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              • Jeff M.
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                #8
                Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                Hi all: Thanks for your replies. Well, I went back yesterday to continue with the M2035 issue, and... it was working! ??? I didn't reboot the computer after changing the SMB setting in the Windows features section. I'm sure it was rebooted since then, so could this have been a problem? I know sometimes it needs to be rebooted to save the changes, but I didn't see a notification that it had to. The user had gone for lunch and I didn't have his password, so I decided not to do it at the time.

                I haven't gone back to the KM-4050 yet, no time today but possibly tomorrow (they're in no rush, because all of the other computers are working). I'm kind of hoping that one is working also, but if it is, I still don't know what the problem was. I'll keep you posted.

                Thanks again.... Jeff M.

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                • copiertec
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                  #9
                  Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                  Originally posted by Jeff M.
                  Hi all: Thanks for your replies. Well, I went back yesterday to continue with the M2035 issue, and... it was working! ??? I didn't reboot the computer after changing the SMB setting in the Windows features section. I'm sure it was rebooted since then, so could this have been a problem? I know sometimes it needs to be rebooted to save the changes, but I didn't see a notification that it had to. The user had gone for lunch and I didn't have his password, so I decided not to do it at the time.

                  I haven't gone back to the KM-4050 yet, no time today but possibly tomorrow (they're in no rush, because all of the other computers are working). I'm kind of hoping that one is working also, but if it is, I still don't know what the problem was. I'll keep you posted.

                  Thanks again.... Jeff M.
                  Yes, you have to reboot/restart the Kyocera MFP's after making changes otherwise the network will not recognize the change. The M2035 has SMB2 capabilities but I do not think the 4050 does so you may have to set that one up on FTP.

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                  • guitar9199
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                    #10
                    Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                    Another thing you should look into is whether or not your IPv4 adapter is set for "NetBIOS over TCP/IP". Newer computers default to NetBIOS over DHCP, and SMB doesn't play well with that.

                    Network Adapters> Properties> IPv4> Properties>Advanced Button>WINS Tab.

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                    • petermays
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                      #11
                      Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                      hi..this might be a stuiped question.but have you checked if the SMB 1 PORT IS STILL OPEN..win 10 has a update that closes port 1 security reason

                      in run type power shell

                      wait for it to boot up..then type
                      Get-SmbServerConfiguration

                      check to see if EnableSmb1protocol is true if false then port is blocked....no smb scanning via port 1.in a canon mc they have brought out special firmare for that..as far as i understand kyo hasnt worried to much about it.i could be wrong but i normally use a typsoft ftp program..very simple to sety up..

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                      • qbert69
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                        #12
                        Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                        Originally posted by petermays
                        hi..this might be a stuiped question.but have you checked if the SMB 1 PORT IS STILL OPEN..win 10 has a update that closes port 1 security reason

                        in run type power shell

                        wait for it to boot up..then type
                        Get-SmbServerConfiguration

                        check to see if EnableSmb1protocol is true if false then port is blocked....no smb scanning via port 1.in a canon mc they have brought out special firmare for that..as far as i understand kyo hasnt worried to much about it.i could be wrong but i normally use a typsoft ftp program..very simple to sety up..
                        SMBv1 can be enabled in Win 10 through the Control Panel -> Programs -> Turn Windows Features On or Off.
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                        • Phil B.
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                          #13
                          Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                          Originally posted by qbert69
                          SMBv1 can be enabled in Win 10 through the Control Panel -> Programs -> Turn Windows Features On or Off.
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                          SMB 1 has security issues.. that's why W10 has it turned off... IF this machine is in a controlled network environment... the tech could be in for a lawsuit if anything gets into the intranet and servers.

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                          • Jeff M.
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                            #14
                            Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                            The KM-4050 is in a church day-care center, so I don't think security is a high priority here. I haven't been able to get back there (the office manager was on vacation), that's the reason for my delay in responding to everyone. I do appreciate the responses, and yes, I had checked the "Turn Windows Features On or Off". All 3 boxes are checked. Stay tuned..... Jeff M.

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                            • D_L_P
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                              #15
                              Re: SMB scanning with Windows 10 issue

                              Originally posted by Jeff M.
                              Hi all: Thanks for your replies. Well, I went back yesterday to continue with the M2035 issue, and... it was working! ???
                              Thanks for letting us know it's working. From what I hear this is typical of Windows 10. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We didn't have these issues with Win 7.

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