Do not purchase Intel 13th and 14th gen CPU's

[BillyCarpenter]

In fact, don't buy Intel CPU, go AMD. They're better.


Intel's 13th and 14th generation processors, particularly the Core i9-13900K and Core i9-14900K models based on the Raptor Lake architecture, are experiencing significant stability problems not only in gaming scenarios but also in server environments

[slimslob]

Just checked my laptop. It's 11th gen.

[rthonpm]

In fact, don't buy Intel CPU, go AMD. They're better.


Intel's 13th and 14th generation processors, particularly the Core i9-13900K and Core i9-14900K models based on the Raptor Lake architecture, are experiencing significant stability problems not only in gaming scenarios but also in server environments

Who in their right mind would use an i9 in a server? That's what the Xeon series is for and while the power use is higher, I've had considerably fewer issues with bad processors with them.

BIOS updates will eventually fix the issue and within a few years most computers will be moving towards ARM processors anyway as opposed to x64/x86 based. That will bring its own set of headaches, but I'm weighing whether my next laptop purchases for my project staff will be ARM based, just for the potential battery life.

[BillyCarpenter]

Here's the reason I choose AMD over Intel CPU's. I'm talking about the high end CPU's that are really fast. Intel CPU uses a lot of power to get those fast speeds and AMD are getting those same speeds and better with less power. More power = more heat.


AMD takes CPU market share from Intel in desktops and servers, but Intel fights back in laptops



AMD managed to gain both unit and revenue market share in server and consumer PCs in the first quarter of the year as demand for 4th-Generation EPYC processors set another record, whereas Ryzen 8000-series processors were popular with makers of desktop PCs and notebooks. A new report from CPU market tracker Mercury Research outlines several of AMD's advances during the quarter.

"Mercury noted in their first quarter report that AMD gained significant server and client revenue share driven by growing demand for 4th Gen EPYC and Ryzen 8000 series processors," a statement by AMD shared by the company via email reads.

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Answering the first post I believe.

[slimslob]

Answering the first post I believe.

But trust her fir what?

[BillyCarpenter]

Intel just announced a solution to the overheating problem but at this point most of the CPU's have been damaged or have experienced degradation issues. They're saying the middle of August is the earliest the new firmware will be available.

Keep in mind that this isn't something that you'll be able to download from Intel's website. First it has to go to all the different motherboard companies and they'll have to do their thing and then release it to their customers.

One final note, I'm hearing that RMA's for damaged CPU's are a nightmare even though Intel says they will make it right. Many end users are saying that Intel is being deceptive.

[rthonpm]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/07/intel-has-finally-tracked-down-the-problem-making-13th-and-14th-gen-cpus-crash/

[BillyCarpenter]

In the world of computing, it's like the Wild West out there. I fell into this world of gaming PC's when I got involved in my son's new gaming PC.


First AMD processors were literally exploding. They corrected that problem. Then Intel CPU's were overheating. Really overheating. And then Nvidia's 4090 flagship GPU's were literally melting and bursting into flames.


All 3 have one thing in common - they all use a massive amount of wattage. Can't we just get something that works?

[rthonpm]

In the world of computing, it's like the Wild West out there. I fell into this world of gaming PC's when I got involved in my son's new gaming PC.


First AMD processors were literally exploding. They corrected that problem. Then Intel CPU's were overheating. Really overheating. And then Nvidia's 4090 flagship GPU's were literally melting and bursting into flames.


All 3 have one thing in common - they all use a massive amount of wattage. Can't we just get something that works?

Knowing people that work in integrated electronics and fabrication they've told me that with the microscopic connections in chips and tolerances needed for clean room manufacturing it's a miracle any of it works.

We think of processors as something that just does what it's supposed to, but getting them designed, fabbed, and shipped is a hard, hard job. Add in the annual cadence of new chips and it becomes even more difficult.

[BillyCarpenter]

Knowing people that work in integrated electronics and fabrication they've told me that with the microscopic connections in chips and tolerances needed for clean room manufacturing it's a miracle any of it works.

We think of processors as something that just does what it's supposed to, but getting them designed, fabbed, and shipped is a hard, hard job. Add in the annual cadence of new chips and it becomes even more difficult.

After first denying that Intel 13th gen CPU had oxidation on the wafer, they finally admitted it the other day.. This is after rejecting RMA's. They need to go back in time and do the right thing. According to what I've read, the failure rate could be as high as 50%. That's a totally separate problem from from the overheating problem due to BIOS.

I believe the problem with the the exploding of the AMD's processors was ultimately a BIOS issue.

And the NVIDIA 4090 problem was the 16 pin power connector. I think it drew something like 550-watts.

[BillyCarpenter]

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