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  • techsxge
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    #16
    Re: Remote application for Excel

    Originally posted by slimslob
    That is what an IT department or Service is for. Even then it is best that the customer get a business/enterprise license with 24/7 telephone support that the IT can contact when needed



    Let Nexrcloud and Onlyoffice become popular enough to be noticed by the hacker community and the issues with them will start to become as noticeable as they are with Microsoft products. Are you aware that Dropbox, which is used by a lot of individuals as well as companies, was recently hacked and 130 code repositories stolen? Dropbox breached, GitHub repositories stolen
    We are in 2022... If someone still falls for Pishing Emails and enters their 2fa Code, i'd not realy want to call that "hacking" but messing with the dumbest users alive. But thats a topic for itself.
    Of course they will also be targeted, but since both programs are opensource, i am expecting a development like with Linux Systems. Everyboy, even "White Hats" will be able to contribute their concers and solutions. From what i'Ve seen, Microsoft has had Security Issues way past stupid. Those Flaws would've easily been patched if someone would've cared...

    It is up to everyone on what they want to use, what they want to sell to their customer. I like to go the "open source" way where i have 100% control of what happens to my customer but i understand if thats too much for someone who is possibly enrolling Office Applications "on the side" or someone who just does not want to have the extra effort

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    • rthonpm
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      #17
      Re: Remote application for Excel

      Originally posted by techsxge
      From what i'Ve seen, Microsoft has had Security Issues way past stupid. Those Flaws would've easily been patched if someone would've cared...

      I like to go the "open source" way where i have 100% control of what happens to my customer
      As opposed to the beyond stupid flaws found in OpenSSH (Heartbleed) or even OpenSSL or many other open source applications? Open source software is a great thing, however if the project has a limited number of maintainers then there is a larger risk of it being abandoned, superficially maintained, or even forked in some type of petty dispute. Also, unless you're really able to audit the code and dependent libraries yourself you're still just falling into the same cycle of trust as any other proprietary application. No piece of software is ever going to be perfect whether you can see the source code or not.

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      • techsxge
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        #18
        Re: Remote application for Excel

        Originally posted by rthonpm
        As opposed to the beyond stupid flaws found in OpenSSH (Heartbleed) or even OpenSSL or many other open source applications? Open source software is a great thing, however if the project has a limited number of maintainers then there is a larger risk of it being abandoned, superficially maintained, or even forked in some type of petty dispute. Also, unless you're really able to audit the code and dependent libraries yourself you're still just falling into the same cycle of trust as any other proprietary application. No piece of software is ever going to be perfect whether you can see the source code or not.
        Never said that a open source code by itself is better.
        The thing i have with it is following:
        If i get any problems with the software i am deploying and it is open source, i can check for myself realy easily where the issues is and better investigate the cause. If i have a pre-packaged Program, i'll have to fully rely on the company that is creating those software packages. And i dont realy want to waste 1.5 hours in the microsoft support hotline just to be asked basic windows troubleshoot procedures if i tell them i have a problem with exchange server...
        Also i can shut down certain parts of a software which might cause a problem while i can let the rest run just fine.
        If a Open Source Project gets discontinued by the original author but it is still very popular, there will most likely be some great community forks for the years to come. Unlike the first Microsoft Server applications where they just cancelled all licenses...
        The level of trust you put into the product also differs a bit: Buy a prebuild Product? You have to 100% trust the Author. Get a open source Product? You can give him 0% trust and check every single line of code if you want. It is up to you where you ant to draw the line...

        Ah and those flaws of OpenSSH and such are nothing against Microsoft Products using 10 years or older code while just adding new layers over and over to make it seem new.
        Almost all Zero Days and other major bugs are a result of decade old codes. One should've assumed that Microsoft has the Ressource to dedicate People looking into this stuff.



        Ultimately everyone has to decide for themselves what they want. I am a die hard open source and IT Security guy so i might be a little bit biased about paid Products anyways.
        It should realy be up to you
        This Thread wasn't about the advantages or disadvantages of open source programs though, am i right?

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        • slimslob
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          #19
          Re: Remote application for Excel

          Originally posted by techsxge
          Never said that a open source code by itself is better.
          The thing i have with it is following:
          If i get any problems with the software i am deploying and it is open source, i can check for myself realy easily where the issues is and better investigate the cause. If i have a pre-packaged Program, i'll have to fully rely on the company that is creating those software packages. And i dont realy want to waste 1.5 hours in the microsoft support hotline just to be asked basic windows troubleshoot procedures if i tell them i have a problem with exchange server...
          Also i can shut down certain parts of a software which might cause a problem while i can let the rest run just fine.
          If a Open Source Project gets discontinued by the original author but it is still very popular, there will most likely be some great community forks for the years to come. Unlike the first Microsoft Server applications where they just cancelled all licenses...
          The level of trust you put into the product also differs a bit: Buy a prebuild Product? You have to 100% trust the Author. Get a open source Product? You can give him 0% trust and check every single line of code if you want. It is up to you where you ant to draw the line...

          Ah and those flaws of OpenSSH and such are nothing against Microsoft Products using 10 years or older code while just adding new layers over and over to make it seem new.
          Almost all Zero Days and other major bugs are a result of decade old codes. One should've assumed that Microsoft has the Ressource to dedicate People looking into this stuff.



          Ultimately everyone has to decide for themselves what they want. I am a die hard open source and IT Security guy so i might be a little bit biased about paid Products anyways.
          It should realy be up to you
          This Thread wasn't about the advantages or disadvantages of open source programs though, am i right?
          So you go in and change something. Do you document what you are changing as you are doing so? What happens if you haven't documented something and you get killed by a drive by shooter as you leave the customer?

          As for paid Products, there is always reverse engineering if you want to learn to correct problems with them.

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          • techsxge
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            #20
            Re: Remote application for Excel

            Originally posted by slimslob
            So you go in and change something. Do you document what you are changing as you are doing so? What happens if you haven't documented something and you get killed by a drive by shooter as you leave the customer?

            As for paid Products, there is always reverse engineering if you want to learn to correct problems with them.
            I dont know about the US, but in Germany we are required by law to document every change made to a system with exact date and time if possible. Plus a Server still provides Logs by itself. Only time there would be no logs is when i do a fresh installation but then atleast someonese else knows, if.not my comoany and the customer both.
            Also, the chances of a drive by shooting should be much lower in Germany����


            Reverse Engineering is not allowed by license of i'd say all Products out there. Doing so would be a crime which i will not promote on this website...

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            • slimslob
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              #21
              Re: Remote application for Excel

              Originally posted by techsxge
              I dont know about the US, but in Germany we are required by law to document every change made to a system with exact date and time if possible. Plus a Server still provides Logs by itself. Only time there would be no logs is when i do a fresh installation but then atleast someonese else knows, if.not my comoany and the customer both.
              Also, the chances of a drive by shooting should be much lower in Germany����


              Reverse Engineering is not allowed by license of i'd say all Products out there. Doing so would be a crime which i will not promote on this website...
              Many years ago while my daughter was working on her BS in Computer Science, she worked part time for a local software company that provided support for and held the Copyright for a Unix based dealership management software used by Ford dealerships. The engineer who originally wrote the software was no longer with the company and when Ford wanted some changes made, they discovered that he had left no documentation and could not be contacted. My daughter had to reverse engineer the software, determine what needed to be done to achieve the changes that Ford wanted, implement those changes, install the updated system on nix box in her office, alpha test the updated system, install it at the local Ford dealership for Beta testing, document everything she had to do and then implement its installation across the nation.

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              • techsxge
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                #22
                Re: Remote application for Excel

                Originally posted by slimslob
                Many years ago while my daughter was working on her BS in Computer Science, she worked part time for a local software company that provided support for and held the Copyright for a Unix based dealership management software used by Ford dealerships. The engineer who originally wrote the software was no longer with the company and when Ford wanted some changes made, they discovered that he had left no documentation and could not be contacted. My daughter had to reverse engineer the software, determine what needed to be done to achieve the changes that Ford wanted, implement those changes, install the updated system on nix box in her office, alpha test the updated system, install it at the local Ford dealership for Beta testing, document everything she had to do and then implement its installation across the nation.
                Well thats the difference, they have had the copyright for it, meaning they are allowed to make changes. As a Enterprise Customer/Reseller, you do not own those rights and that is why you are not allowed to reverse engineer these. Also they must have had the source code anyways, so there should not be too much "reverse engineering" but more likely "reading through the code"

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