compare ricoh 2105 and Canon ir7105

[drak]

Hello,

i am looking for printer for cheap book production.
Can you compare these two machines ? I guess Canon ir7105 is better and more expensive. Also, is the Canon ir7105 reliable ? I have searched about ricoh 2105 and people says it is old but excellent machine.

Please give me a advice
thank you
Drak

[charm5496]

7105 is a great machine. I love working on them. The major problems that the IR-105 had were improved on and it is easy to service this unit.
Have never touched a Ricoh so I can't comment on that for you. Although any company that is down that far in debt might not be around long enough to worry about.

[SCREWTAPE]

7105 with out a doubt.

[Raoufselwaness]

dear dark;
canon is a canon like we said about Mercedes.
it is clean M/C but ricoh is always considered a dirty m/c's with developer u need to change at certain time and a drum too. canon is expensive but long lasting with no hassle.a customer of mine has 2 of 7105
he produce 1 million a month for both and he only buy toner from me.
by the way i sell him toner for use in canon gp605 (KATUN) and it works very good!!!!

[SCREWTAPE]

by the way i sell him toner for use in canon gp605 (KATUN) and it works very good!!!!

I would really not recommend using anything but genuine canon toner.
That's just my two cents..

[Canuck]

I totally agree with Screwtape...Non Canon toner....poor halftones,early parts failure. You get what you pay for!!! I did a study on Katun toner versus Canon toner on a bunch of 105's,8500's,7105's. The conclusion? You use approximately 2.2 times more competitive toner than you would genuine Canon toner. Waste bottles fill up quicker,cleaner blades and DRUMS($$$$$) don't last their expected life. To my customers the half tone quality is unacceptable using aftermarket toner. DO THE MATH!!!

[Raoufselwaness]

dear screwtapr And canuck, u are write about the oem toner and parts,but here are some data
ir6020 uses after market toner made in India very cheep it produces 47k copies /1500 grams bottle.
fuser web is clean fuser roller is clean copy quality is only 5-10% less than oem toner pre transfer crona is clean!!. same case with ir8500 uses katun toner the quality is almost the same as oem toner.
this the case in Egypt

[mrfixit51]

dear screwtapr And canuck, u are write about the oem toner and parts,but here are some data
ir6020 uses after market toner made in India very cheep it produces 47k copies /1500 grams bottle.
fuser web is clean fuser roller is clean copy quality is only 5-10% less than oem toner pre transfer crona is clean!!. same case with ir8500 uses katun toner the quality is almost the same as oem toner.
this the case in Egypt

That was not our experience in the middle US,, while our toner costs were lower, we were fighting too many other issues that ate up that savings, so we switched back to genuine canon.

[Raoufselwaness]

dear fixit51,
the case in Egypt is totally diff. the Indian toner is to cheep and the quality is good,also katun products for canon is more than satisfying. in Ricoh the case is diff. and oem toners and spares are more cheaper if compared to any after market products concerning life time and quality.(I worked for katun only for 12 months), u can say I'm biased to katun, did u try katun toners for IR products?

[mrfixit51]

did u try katun toners for IR products?

Hi Raoufselwaness,

Yes, we did. We have used their toner, drums, and feed rollers. All were cheaper, but all did not last as long as Canon, and some caused additional problems, creating more service calls which creates more expense and customer concerns. So we totally use Canon supplies and parts now. In the long run, the overall costs may be equal, but time between visits increases the customer confidence.