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  • SESHU
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    #1

    Ir4570 fax line a cannot work???

    Hi frnds....

    Ir 4570 fax line a/b canot worked.????

    But that is worked . How it is ..not in line mode....
    I placing the line jack insert into headset pin.. Back side of mechine.
    Then dial tone is coming. And fax sending and received worked.

    But when i insert into line jack line a or line b no dial tone is coming.

    What to do..

    Any settings is there for work lines a/b... In service mode.

    How to set the lines...
    Please give me reply....
    Last edited by SESHU; 09-27-2010, 05:12 PM. Reason: STATUS CHANGING
  • SCREWTAPE
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    #2
    I think the modem where you are connecting the fax line cable is install upside down.
    I think the headset is the line, its just when the fax was installed, that modem probably was install upside down. You understand.. I gonna try to get some photos of what might be the issue.
    Last edited by SCREWTAPE; 09-27-2010, 05:48 PM.

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    • SESHU
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      #3
      Originally posted by screwtape
      i think the modem where you are connecting the fax line cable is install upside down.
      I think the headset is the line, its just when the fax was installed, that modem probably was install upside down. You understand.. I gonna try to get photo of what might be the issue.
      changing new board also.
      Same problem..

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      • SCREWTAPE
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        #4
        Check these photos out.

        Is this install correct.
        Attached Files

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        • D_L_P
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          #5
          Might not be related, but we had an ir2230 that would not get a dial tone even thought the fax board was new out of the box. We found out since it was the 2230 series it needed a HDD, which was part of the multi-PDL kit. The salesman had promised to throw in the fax option for free. What he thought was just a matter of pulling the fax pcb out of a ir2800 copier and putting it in the 2230 turned out to be a very expensive learning experience. We had to order new the fax kit and multi-PDL kit and just give it away.

          With all the posts about changing models and resetting counters, is there even a HDD in the copier?
          Probably wouldn't hurt to reinstall the system software too.

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          • SESHU
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            #6
            Originally posted by screwtape
            check these photos out.

            Is this install correct.
            yes ... Screwtape.

            I check the board..
            Its reversed. Iam checking board reverse only .no board jacks reverse.
            Board jacks correct..

            Now i change to corect way what you have see in the image..
            That's way iam installed now ...
            O.k.


            Now ...what happend change the headset pin to line a. O.k ..
            line a worked. line b dial tone cannot come..and headset pin also dialtone has not come..

            Now what to do....

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            • teckat
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              #7
              Originally posted by SESHU
              Hi frnds....

              Ir 4570 fax line a/b canot worked.????

              But that is worked . How it is ..not in line mode....
              I placing the line jack insert into headset pin.. Back side of mechine.
              Then dial tone is coming. And fax sending and received worked.

              But when i insert into line jack line a or line b no dial tone is coming.

              What to do..

              Any settings is there for work lines a/b... In service mode.

              How to set the lines...
              Please give me reply....



              To check that the fax line is working / functional.

              -- To check for noise (humming, popping, clicking, static, etc.). Always have the customer listen to the noise. It is their responsibility to provide a noise-free, error-free channel.

              -- To check for long distance and international dialing access (newly installed lines may not be programmed correctly).
              -- To check for Pin Code access (not every operator is familiar with the required dialing sequences).

              2] Telephone Line Voltages: Fax machines communicate over single line phone networks where the 'Ring' and 'Tip' voltages are always located across the two center terminals. Line voltages are checked accordingly:

              on-hook voltage (phone is hung up)
              --set the volt meter to 200 vdc
              --should read within the 48vdc ~ 52vdc range

              off-hook voltage (phone is off-hook and dial tone is generated)
              --set the volt meter to 200 vdc
              --should read within the 8 vdc ~ 12 vdc range

              ringing voltage (incoming call)
              --set the volt meter to 200 vac
              --should read within the 75 vac ~ 105 vac range

              3] RJ11-C Modular jack: Testing phone line voltages can be difficult if not impossible at times unless you can establish a really good connection to the phone line. The RJ11-C box can be used to establish a good connection.

              --RJ11-C box with two female connectors (remove the cover and test with your meter across the red and green terminals). An additional phone cable is required.

              --RJ11-C box with one male and one female connector; remove the cover and test with your meter across the red and green terminals).
              **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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              • teckat
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                #8
                Originally posted by SESHU
                yes ... Screwtape.

                I check the board..
                Its reversed. Iam checking board reverse only .no board jacks reverse.
                Board jacks correct..

                Now i change to corect way what you have see in the image..
                That's way iam installed now ...
                O.k.


                Now ...what happend change the headset pin to line a. O.k ..
                line a worked. line b dial tone cannot come..and headset pin also dialtone has not come..

                Now what to do....
                When G3 FAX v79.01 is used for the imageRUNNER 2270/ 2870/ 3570/ 4570 series, the following
                parameter settings are required.


                Check the parameters in the service mode (FAX > Type) in the following table and change the settings
                accordingly.


                Service Mode Item Setting values
                /use scroll bar bottom to view pic
                fax.JPG
                Follow the shut-down sequence. Then, turn off and on the main power switch.
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                • SESHU
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by teckat
                  to check that the fax line is working / functional.

                  -- to check for noise (humming, popping, clicking, static, etc.). Always have the customer listen to the noise. It is their responsibility to provide a noise-free, error-free channel.

                  -- to check for long distance and international dialing access (newly installed lines may not be programmed correctly).
                  -- to check for pin code access (not every operator is familiar with the required dialing sequences).

                  2] telephone line voltages: fax machines communicate over single line phone networks where the 'ring' and 'tip' voltages are always located across the two center terminals. Line voltages are checked accordingly:

                  on-hook voltage (phone is hung up)
                  --set the volt meter to 200 vdc
                  --should read within the 48vdc ~ 52vdc range

                  off-hook voltage (phone is off-hook and dial tone is generated)
                  --set the volt meter to 200 vdc
                  --should read within the 8 vdc ~ 12 vdc range

                  ringing voltage (incoming call)
                  --set the volt meter to 200 vac
                  --should read within the 75 vac ~ 105 vac range

                  3] rj11-c modular jack: testing phone line voltages can be difficult if not impossible at times unless you can establish a really good connection to the phone line. The rj11-c box can be used to establish a good connection.

                  --rj11-c box with two female connectors (remove the cover and test with your meter across the red and green terminals). An additional phone cable is required.

                  --rj11-c box with one male and one female connector; remove the cover and test with your meter across the red and green terminals).
                  hi..
                  I checked everythimg line.
                  For checking using that line make the phone calls also.
                  Its worked.calls going on.and calls receive also.

                  Same line what i said . Line a worked.fax received and sending its worked.
                  Same line i insert line pin changed to line b/headset no dail tone or no response/nothing happend. .

                  How to switch on line b . How to set line b and headset pin work???

                  How to get line b and headset pin dailtone.????

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                  • teckat
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                    #10
                    do u have a dual line fax installed

                    u mean line 1/ line 2
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                    • Canuck
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                      #11
                      Do you have a Multi-FAX Board D1 installed? This is required...Super G3 Q1 only gives one line

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                      • SESHU
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by teckat
                        do u have a dual line fax installed

                        u mean line 1/ line 2
                        yes..
                        daul line fax board.
                        and i have diffrent 2 phone number lines.
                        .....

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                        • mrfixit51
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                          #13
                          There are settings, either in Addnl Func, or service mode, to turn off 2nd line access in case the copier had 2 line modem with only 1 phone line.
                          "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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                          • SESHU
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mrfixit51
                            There are settings, either in Addnl Func, or service mode, to turn off 2nd line access in case the copier had 2 line modem with only 1 phone line.
                            how to turn on secondline acces in service mode..

                            hi..mrfixit..
                            thaks for reply..but..

                            iam searching in additinal settings for set to second lline access..

                            nothing is there....

                            how to set service mode settings turn on the access second line..???

                            how to go...

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                            • teckat
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by SESHU
                              how to turn on secondline acces in service mode..

                              hi..mrfixit..
                              thaks for reply..but..

                              iam searching in additinal settings for set to second lline access..

                              nothing is there....

                              how to set service mode settings turn on the access second line..???

                              how to go...
                              Multi FAX Board-D1

                              For the Dual-Line Fax Board, make sure the wire harness from the fax board to the Main Controller PCB is connected to J1005.


                              Check that the yellow wiring harness is the correct one. Check that all pins on both sides of the harness are terminated. You must use the harness supplied with this fax option.

                              fax.JPG

                              Turn off /Check Dial Tone Before Sending
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