4080 vs 5180

[mark921]

Time to add an additional unit to our shop. Currently, we run 2 imagepress C1's and 2 ir C3220's, all of which run relatively high volumes. The C1's run 50k each per month on average, and the 3220's run around 35-40k per month.

We want a machine to bridge the gap of quality between the C1's and 3220's, both in quality and volume. So, we are considering either the 4080 or the 5180. Any thoughts on which, if any of these units will fit the bill?

As always, you guys are a great help, and your thoughts are ALWAYS appreciated!

Cheers....

[teckat]

Only difference is Copy per minute

I personally would go for a iRC5185
C5185/C5185i
Up to 51 ppm Color or B&W

C4580/C4580i
Up to 40 ppm Color
Up to 45 ppm B&W

C4080/C4080i
Up to 36 ppm Color
Up to 40 ppm B&W

iR5185 Service.pdf

One of the major enhancements to the Color imageRUNNER C5185 Series is that these devices offer a Color Single Pass Duplex Document Feeder with dual sided scanning capabilities.
This new Single Pass Duplex Scanner, which is standard on Color imageRUNNER C5185 Series models, scans both sides of documents simultaneously to increase scanning productivity for 2-
sided originals.
With up to 100 sheet paper capacity, this new Single Pass Duplex Document Feeder will scan at up to 100ipm (LTR) for 2-sided originals. Equipped with dual scan readers, a CCD (Charge-Coupled Device) in front and CIS (Contact Image Sensors) in back, this Single Pass Duplex scanner (Color imageReader-G1) provides one-pass, two-sided scanning, for robust
document management and flexible paper handling.
Note: The Color imageRUNNER C5180/C4580/C4080 comes standard with the current DADF and does not have the option of the Single Pass Duplex Document Feeder.
This Color imageRUNNER C5185/C4580/C4080 Series offers MEAP (Multifunctional Embedded Application Platform) for the ability to embed diverse and customizable applications directly into the Color imageRUNNER supporting unique user workflows.
The 100-sheet Duplexing Automatic Document Feeder (DADF) enables the Color imageRUNNER device to scan/copy high-volume documents at up to 70 (one-sided LTR) impressions per minute (ipm) at 300 dpi in black and white and color.
technology is standard on all models in this Series. The Color Universal Send feature enables the end-user to distribute scanned data to multiple destinations simultaneously, including individuals or groups of e-mail and Fax/Internet- Fax addresses, internal Mail Boxes, network or host files and folders, and to document management
applications such as the Canon imageWARE Document Manager.
Universal Send PDF Advanced Features provide additional functionality such as PDF High Compression, Trace & Smooth PDF, Searchable PDF modes and Universal Send Security Feature Set. The Universal Send Security Feature Set includes the ability to encrypt PDF documents and have a Device Signature Mode.
Color Universal Send

[iRC]

Well, it depends about the meters. But if you would have asked to compare the iRC4080 and iRC5185, then I would have chosen the 5185. But I don't have any knowledge about the 5180, since that model hasn't been imported to Finland (or at least I haven't seen any). If I remember correct, Canon made some major updates to the 5180 and at the same time they renamed the model to 5185.

The difference between the speeds isn't so big. Still, the 4080 might be bit cheaper to buy. But as I said, it depends about the meters. If you put the machine on contract (which I highly recommend), make sure that it includes the fixing unit. If you don't put that on contract, or the dealer doesn't want to include the fixing unit in it, prepare to pay several hundreds of dollars for new fixing unit. And if you print on special paper, the fixing unit's lifetime will decrease. After all, these 80 -series are meant to be office color machines.

-iRC

Edit:teckat; do I remember wrong about the "transformation" of 5180 to 5185?

[teckat]

Only large Canon Authorized Companies put that Fuser unit in Contracts- they receive a low trade in price for the refurbed units .

if u are a private service company or freelance tech- u have to be crazy to include them in an offered contract

[mark921]

Thanks guys! The fuser, from what i gather is replaced as a complete assembly. Are these purchased direct from Canon, and is there a "core" credit for the current fuser assembly?

[Herrmann]

If you can afford it, i would suggest you to buy an IR ADV 9060/70

These Units runs pretty stable here

[teckat]

Thanks guys! The fuser, from what i gather is replaced as a complete assembly. Are these purchased direct from Canon, and is there a "core" credit for the current fuser assembly?

If you are not a Canon Authorized Dealer,
you should call them to see what they offer. 1-800-528-2830

This is a copy of their REFURB CHART
Refurbished_Sub-assembly_Pricing_Chart_Parts_Rev_February_23_2011.pdf

[mrfixit51]

The 3220 is essentially the same copier as the 4080 or 5180,,, quality is the same, it is good. Fuser difference is a big factor on the newer units...

[philip1davies]

5185 all the way but if your buying 2nd user check the fuser as it costs a small fortune.

Although I am Canon trained for 30 years if I owned a copy shop XEROX DC250 would be the one.

[teckat]

trouble with Xerox is finding someone trained to repair it


use a Canon Color trained & reliable service person/company-

If u don't abuse the 5185 it will be fine,
it is when companies use it & think it's like a printing press


Study shows 65/70% purchase the wrong machine, because they underestimate their work load> u need to do your homework

[mark921]

Thanks guys. We have 4 other units, which are being overused to some degree. So what we want to do is the work load over another machine. Multiple units are great because we can run multiple jobs at the same time, and the redundancy is great when service is needed on another printer. Sounds like the 5185 will do the job.

[teckat]

Thanks guys. We have 4 other units, which are being overused to some degree. So what we want to do is the work load over another machine. Multiple units are great because we can run multiple jobs at the same time, and the redundancy is great when service is needed on another printer. Sounds like the 5185 will do the job.

make sure to have a tech remove the Fuser to inspect or ask for paper work when it was replaced !
also check the Firmware version ??

[mark921]

will do. the unit of interest is in NY, and we have our supplier looking into both. Again, Teckat thanks a bunch!

[iRC]

Only large Canon Authorized Companies put that Fuser unit in Contracts- they receive a low trade in price for the refurbed units .

if u are a private service company or freelance tech- u have to be crazy to include them in an offered contract

I work for an authorized Canon dealer. And as far as I know, almost all contracts here in Finland (so not only just in our company) include everything else except papers and finisher staples. I've heard that few customers have contracts which don't include toners.

Probably then we have greater prices per page than you have in your area.

[teckat]

Like I stated Small Private Service Companies/ and Independent Freelance Techs, can not afford to offer Fuser units in contracts. Not cost effective for them

My USA Canon Authorized Company offers them in all 5185 series contracts.