Ir5065 registration problem

[teckat]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

Its bbbaaaaaccckkkk..back. Started again this morning. Is there any way reg clutch could be acting up but not affect bypass feed?????

remember these are stepping motors which use a 2-phase excitation type.

variation of voltage will sometimes not cause a Jam or Error code /

actually the PS29 on timing is slightly different, depending on paper feed location

[copicatt]

Hmmm. I figure it has to be on the area just above the tray 1 feed and before it gets to the common area with the bypass. Short space though, didnt realize the pre reg flag wasnt used by the bypass. or maybe I am thinking of the wrong flag, need to get a manual I guess. I have a 5000, but not 5065. I checked the flags accessible by opening the right hand door/ bypass. There were no nicks, need to check the spring back again I guess. Only 100k on it. Odd. Did notice thay the tray 1 secondary feed rollers were tight, but that may be normal, they mesh with gears on the frame, driven by motor. I just cant see it being the motor, would think it would jam,at some point..need to find a timing chart. The thing rhat gets me is that tge paper is ahead of the image. Shouldnt the reg clutch hold it back until it was time to move? Totally different scenario of the image was ahead of the paper, then I would think something was sticking or delayed......

[charm5496]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

Hmmm. I figure it has to be on the area just above the tray 1 feed and before it gets to the common area with the bypass. Short space though, didnt realize the pre reg flag wasnt used by the bypass. or maybe I am thinking of the wrong flag, need to get a manual I guess. I have a 5000, but not 5065. I checked the flags accessible by opening the right hand door/ bypass. There were no nicks, need to check the spring back again I guess. Only 100k on it. Odd. Did notice thay the tray 1 secondary feed rollers were tight, but that may be normal, they mesh with gears on the frame, driven by motor. I just cant see it being the motor, would think it would jam,at some point..need to find a timing chart. The thing rhat gets me is that tge paper is ahead of the image. Shouldnt the reg clutch hold it back until it was time to move? Totally different scenario of the image was ahead of the paper, then I would think something was sticking or delayed......

and you are 100% positive that the stack bypass is not shifting? If it was you could easily have a clutch or DC controller issue.

[copicatt]

Yes. Did quite a few thru the bypass and noticed no shift. Very noticable out of cassettes. After the first page, that is, and it does vary spacing, not constant. 1/2 inch or so, no more. Thats why I am baffled.....thx

[charm5496]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

did you attempt a DCON clear yet? do a p-print before clearing!!! This way you can reenter values

[copicatt]

No I didnt but it crossed mind......what has to be re-entered? Everything on the printout or just a certain section?

[teckat]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

there is no pre-reg sensor/
there is a pre-reg motor M17,drives the pre-registration roller->
SEE TIME CHART BELOW
Click on pics for better view

PS29.JPG

PS4 fixing claw jam sensor---------PS30 duplex pre-registration sensor
PS19 right deck retry sensor-------PS31 duplex horizontal registration sensor
PS20 left deck retry sensor--------PS32 right deck pull-off sensor
PS21 cassette 3 retry sensor------PS33 left deck pull-off sensor
PS22 cassette 4 retry sensor------PS34 duplex paper sensor
PS23 manual feed paper sensor-PS35 inside delivery sensor
PS24 vertical path 1 sensor--------PS36 outside delivery sensor
PS25 vertical path 2 sensor--------PS37 reversal sensor 1
PS26 vertical path 3 sensor--------PS38 reversal sensor 2
PS27 vertical path 4 sensor--------PS46 delivery assembly jam sensor
PS28 write check sensor-----------PS51 fixing inlet sensor
PS29 registration sensor---------PS52 fixing outlet sensor

PS29-28.JPG
check the Laser Write start sensor PS28

Pickup from the Right Deck

PU.JPG

[teckat]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

printer unit flow chart/ Double click for better view
printer u.JPG

[copicatt]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

Good info, thanks very much. Studying now, lol. Trying to find a reason according to the flow chart, timing chart, that would explain the registration being ok on the first page. Every time I get a theory, that 1st page shoots it down, lol. So maybe the paper isn't jumping ahead of the image, maybe the laser isn't writing the image exactly on time due to PS28. I will have to think on this......I would think if it was a mechanical problem with the sensor, it would affect page 1 also. on the timing chart, looks like the duplex/vd motor is the only think different on page 1, it stays on, then it kicks off for a fraction on subsequent pages, of course, that might just be for the right deck. maybe it's not kicking off. Theories at work. Thanks for the ifo......

[teckat]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

laser write start signal;
Paper feed from Deck or Cassette
-When paper reaches the laser write start sensor (PS28) mounted in front of the registration roller, the machine starts laser write operation.

- When the manual feed tray is used as the source of paper, the write operation starts when the registration paper sensor (PS29) detects paper.


there is no flow chart for mult-page feed timing operations

[vigour]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

.

Also check the registration gap.
Ask the last guy if he took the transport out. If so he could have deformed the reg plate.

Some copiers will make you jump off a bridge if you HAVE to find the corect equation before trying a part.

[copicatt]

Every day i'm thinking, he will try the clutch today.

Also check the registration gap.
Ask the last guy if he took the transport out. If so he could have deformed the reg plate.

Some copiers will make you jump off a bridge if you HAVE to find the corect equation before trying a part.

I guess I just have that habit since this is a chargeable customer and the part will have to be ordered in. then wait for the part just to have to eat the cost. the company that sold them the machine has never serviced it and cant get them to come out. they are making due and not rushing. It isnt the primary machine. Thought I had it fixed the other day but problem came back today. So this is actually only the second day its haf a problem. So everyday is actually only two days. Will post when I figure it out. Thx

[vigour]

Re: Ir5065 registration problem

I see your point. I don' have such constraints.

1 stick a piece of sandpaper or paper in the clutch, and spin the roller, then spin the back end of the clutch, if you don't want to take it off.
2 try running it without the brake, see if there is a difference (I know you claned it)
3 check/clean clutches on right deck p/u assy.
4 check tabs for reg plate gap

[copicatt]

Yes, ran without brake with no differernce. Will check everything again in a little bit. Thanks!