clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

[cesarkazu]

after several experiences in trying to clone a hd imagePASS c2 for backup security was "clonezilla" unique software that clones hdd imagePASS C2

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Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

after several experiences in trying to clone a hd imagePASS c2 for backup security was "clonezilla" unique software that clones hdd imagePASS C2

Clonezilla/ great program

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did u get it to work on the C2

[cesarkazu]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

Clonezilla/ great program

Clonezilla - About

did u get it to work on the C2

hd source (C2) to new hd only

[farst_eddy]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

hd source (C2) to new hd only

I have tried on several ocassions to clone Fiery H/Disks (if no System CD's) with semi-success using Acronis, but even though the RIP's boot to idle and work - the restore facility doesn't work - goes back to 'loading' condition afterwards.

[KL568]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

How is your source HDD being hook up to?

So far with Acronis Bootup CD, success rate is about 90% That 10% failure most of time is HDD problem.

My laptop is prestore with Acronis images of workin-condition Fiery system (C1 / C2 / etc....) then using a USB-to-IDE cable (or USB-to-SATA cable) hook on laptop and clone over to another new HDD.

Good point of it is all the patches of that Fiery system clone is done up before hand, no hassle to download patches.

Bad point is you really need a lot of time to prep Fiery system and test out all the images on all Fiery systems

[cesarkazu]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

How is your source HDD being hook up to?

So far with Acronis Bootup CD, success rate is about 90% That 10% failure most of time is HDD problem.

My laptop is prestore with Acronis images of workin-condition Fiery system (C1 / C2 / etc....) then using a USB-to-IDE cable (or USB-to-SATA cable) hook on laptop and clone over to another new HDD.

Good point of it is all the patches of that Fiery system clone is done up before hand, no hassle to download patches.

Bad point is you really need a lot of time to prep Fiery system and test out all the images on all Fiery systems

never tested the acronis, tested several (HDClone, mini tools partition, etc. ..) but only got clonezilla result, any hdd with equal or greater capacity. I'll try acronis

[farst_eddy]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

never tested the acronis, tested several (HDClone, mini tools partition, etc. ..) but only got clonezilla result, any hdd with equal or greater capacity. I'll try acronis

I have discussed my inability to successfully 'mirror' a Fiery drive with a colleague that was helping me, The imaging process seems to work fine - all the drives that were cloned, whether by automatic expansion of source drive to destination (if bigger), and apparently no problems with different manufacturers (although I have generally stuck to drive makes/types that Fiery employ).
No problems using the RIP's - all works fine.
Problem is when performing system restore - goes through restore process and then just get stuck on 'loading'.

Was wondering if Fiery do something smart/tricky like 'referencing' the initially installed system software, against whatever hdd model type it was installed onto, at time of install from cd, as a form of protectionism. (similar to what Canon have done with newer models with the encryted 'ift' file.)

Maybe as part of restore process - a check is made referencing what information was held as part of initial install against what information is gathered when performing restoration, and 'hey presto - mismatch', so unsuccessful restore.

If anyone can bring some light on this then great as not only am I pretty fed up keeping 'master' drives around, in order to clone (unsatisfactorily) onto a.n. other drive, but would prefer to create 'iso' images which I can backup on a couple of externals for same purpose.
(No-I do not have system software for all the various Fiery RIP's-stopped working for a Canon dealer yonks ago!)

[farst_eddy]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

How is your source HDD being hook up to?

So far with Acronis Bootup CD, success rate is about 90% That 10% failure most of time is HDD problem.

My laptop is prestore with Acronis images of workin-condition Fiery system (C1 / C2 / etc....) then using a USB-to-IDE cable (or USB-to-SATA cable) hook on laptop and clone over to another new HDD.

Good point of it is all the patches of that Fiery system clone is done up before hand, no hassle to download patches.

Bad point is you really need a lot of time to prep Fiery system and test out all the images on all Fiery systems

I forgot to ask you if the approach that you use is on basis of make/model/size types known to be used in whichever copier models for which you are copying the fiery system s/ware, or if you are stating that your 90% success rate is by way of using ANY same size/ larger size hdd??

[KL568]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

I forgot to ask you if the approach that you use is on basis of make/model/size types known to be used in whichever copier models for which you are copying the fiery system s/ware, or if you are stating that your 90% success rate is by way of using ANY same size/ larger size hdd??

Hi, farst_eddy

My images are clone to any make of HDD of size that is bigger than my Master HDD. Meaning if the image created from my master HDD is 10GB, it will have to be clone to higher size AND any extra space like 20GB is ignore out of a 30GB HDD. Huge wasteage of HDD but it get the thing working, Customer is happy and I have lesser headache.

From my understanding of Fiery that is mounted behind the rear of machine, there is no restore feature. Can I assume your Fiery are those stand alone Tower-based CPU akin to a regular PC?

If yes, those system are Windows-embedded OS. You can't use any cloning software to prep a new HDD from image and install in the Fiery.

Have you try a software by EFI called CD Clone Tools? Sorry, cant remember the exact name but it bootable CD where by you can clone to a few destination like USB drive / network drive. Register as user in EFI website, and can be downloadable from their forum.

[farst_eddy]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

Hi, farst_eddy

My images are clone to any make of HDD of size that is bigger than my Master HDD. Meaning if the image created from my master HDD is 10GB, it will have to be clone to higher size AND any extra space like 20GB is ignore out of a 30GB HDD. Huge wasteage of HDD but it get the thing working, Customer is happy and I have lesser headache.

From my understanding of Fiery that is mounted behind the rear of machine, there is no restore feature. Can I assume your Fiery are those stand alone Tower-based CPU akin to a regular PC?

If yes, those system are Windows-embedded OS. You can't use any cloning software to prep a new HDD from image and install in the Fiery.

Have you try a software by EFI called CD Clone Tools? Sorry, cant remember the exact name but it bootable CD where by you can clone to a few destination like USB drive / network drive. Register as user in EFI website, and can be downloadable from their forum.

Hi,
Yes - my thread only relates to standalone Fieries.
Yes- they are NT based
Would have thought that something like Nero (HDD mounted as slave on PC), could be used to create an image that could be stored on an external backup drive and then imaged back onto a replacement drive (when needed). Point was about failure when 'restoring' (as said prev. - no problems using Acronis to copy an image of the drive to another provided same/larger size).
Not sure on your comment about not being able to prep a 'new' (or replacement) drive from an 'image' if it is Windows O/S, but am not a total computer guru.

Will take a look @ EFI and register and check out the CD Clone s/ware.

Thanks for your reply

[KL568]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

Hi,
Yes - my thread only relates to standalone Fieries.
Yes- they are NT based
Would have thought that something like Nero (HDD mounted as slave on PC), could be used to create an image that could be stored on an external backup drive and then imaged back onto a replacement drive (when needed). Point was about failure when 'restoring' (as said prev. - no problems using Acronis to copy an image of the drive to another provided same/larger size).
Not sure on your comment about not being able to prep a 'new' (or replacement) drive from an 'image' if it is Windows O/S, but am not a total computer guru.

Will take a look @ EFI and register and check out the CD Clone s/ware.

Thanks for your reply

Hi,

I too is not guru in computer, just kind of slightly observant and curious on certain system how it work.

If much of your products are mainly NT-based, then no point registering EFI forum for that software. It only support WinXPe Fierys. Your NT-based, I assume is NT4. If my memory still serve me, it has 3-4 partitions. One of it is the backup image and it uses Symantec Ghost to perform the restore. Ghost version is quite dated and have lesser GUI than what you see in the market nowadays.

[farst_eddy]

Re: clone (backup) hd imagepass c2 or other system HD

Hi,

I too is not guru in computer, just kind of slightly observant and curious on certain system how it work.

If much of your products are mainly NT-based, then no point registering EFI forum for that software. It only support WinXPe Fierys. Your NT-based, I assume is NT4. If my memory still serve me, it has 3-4 partitions. One of it is the backup image and it uses Symantec Ghost to perform the restore. Ghost version is quite dated and have lesser GUI than what you see in the market nowadays.

Yep - spot on, on all.
Just cannot work out (why in absence of all System s/ware cd's) 'restore' fails after cloning, but is fine in operation (if one doesn't try to 'restore' after cloning).
I just got a 'bee in my bonnet' about it, thinking maybe because of the expanding the partitions, or because maybe the s/ware 'registers' the make/model/type/size etc of hdd upon initial installation from cd's, so fails when trying to restore.

Guess I will have to 'move on' and suffer it, as no access any more to get cd's, old mates all working on Ricoh etc.

Ta,
Andy