IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

[Fer]

When these machines first came out the original fixing lasted about 60K before ripping en ending in an E007. The new units we used to replace them lasten almost 300-400k. After that we received Canon Giessen refurbished units, they lasted 150-200k and some parts like small gears were not refurbished. So we stopped using them, installing only new units since. But i noticed they tend to fail at 100k and even some are doa. These are Canon new units.

Yes i always do FX-UHP-S and FX-LHP-S after replacement.

Last belts don;t even break of move to the side, function fine just keep on E007

[SCREWTAPE]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

When these machines first came out the original fixing lasted about 60K before ripping en ending in an E007. The new units we used to replace them lasten almost 300-400k. After that we received Canon Giessen refurbished units, they lasted 150-200k and some parts like small gears were not refurbished. So we stopped using them, installing only new units since. But i noticed they tend to fail at 100k and even some are doa. These are Canon new units.

Yes i always do FX-UHP-S and FX-LHP-S after replacement.

Last belts don;t even break of move to the side, function fine just keep on E007

If you getting them from canon call canon up. Tell them that the fixing units are crapping out.

[teckat]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

Twin-Belt Fixing Units (TBFU)

The average life of will reach the original target of 300,000 letter-size prints, and many will exceed the target.

Trying to prove to Canon on units not meeting volume / don't hold your breath

They don't tell u that >testing for that volume is at 5% text coverage

Description ////Part Number//////////////Can It Be Refurbished?
Twin-Belt Fixing-Unit ////FM3-0691-000 ////////No
Complete Fixing Assembly ///FM3-3778-000 ///Yes

Complete Fixing Assembly can not be refurbished more than four times.

[Herrmann]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

Same here in germany, the fusing units dont reach their expected lifetime. We send all back to Canon, receiving $ back for the amount of less livetime. One hint: be sure to have the latest firmware and glue the gears in the frontside.

[teckat]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

Same here in germany, the fusing units dont reach their expected lifetime. We send all back to Canon, receiving $ back for the amount of less livetime. One hint: be sure to have the latest firmware and glue the gears in the frontside.

glue gears in the frontside

[canonbundy]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

When these machines first came out the original fixing lasted about 60K before ripping en ending in an E007. The new units we used to replace them lasten almost 300-400k. After that we received Canon Giessen refurbished units, they lasted 150-200k and some parts like small gears were not refurbished. So we stopped using them, installing only new units since. But i noticed they tend to fail at 100k and even some are doa. These are Canon new units.

Yes i always do FX-UHP-S and FX-LHP-S after replacement.

Last belts don;t even break of move to the side, function fine just keep on E007

Yes it's difficult to comprehend the Logic behind the manufacture of these High Tech POS Fixing Assys, when you look at the IRADV Units are back to 'Simplicity'. In all IRC5185 series Fixing Units, be they new or Refurbed, I will plaster the Fixing heavy steel gears with 'SUPER LUBE GREASE' FY9-6005-000 and even on PM calls, takes an extra 15-20 mins but we are getting the 300K + out of the Units.

[Fer]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

I use this for the gears in front, the litte ones driving the lower belt. @Canonbundy, do you remove the heater to lube them?



I also use silicon lube to clean the bushing in the Faceup-delivery-door

[canonbundy]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

I use this for the gears in front, the litte ones driving the lower belt. @Canonbundy, do you remove the heater to lube them?



I also use silicon lube to clean the bushing in the Faceup-delivery-door

No I don't Fer, I just squeeze the Juice in while cranking the Assy by hand, you can hear and feel the difference, works for me.

[Simons]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

So what is the general thinking about a NEW Unit's life span ? In general how many does the machine do? 200k pages? 300k pages? Not images, page life. TSA was going to refurb them but I think they pulled the plug on that idea. Fusion tech has before, not sure how they feel about the subject. I would like to hear more tell us what life they are seeing.

[canonbundy]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

So what is the general thinking about a NEW Unit's life span ? In general how many does the machine do? 200k pages? 300k pages? Not images, page life. TSA was going to refurb them but I think they pulled the plug on that idea. Fusion tech has before, not sure how they feel about the subject. I would like to hear more tell us what life they are seeing.

Even with a NEW Unit there is a Note in the box regarding the greasing of the Steel Gears, in my experience it seems like Russian Roulette as to the Page Life, if a problem occurs with the Upper Belt Assy you stand a chance of repairing ie. Heater, Belt & Belt Aligning mech, not so with the Lower Belt Assy, this is where the Steel Drive Gears wear and eventually no drive to the UBA, the evidence of wear can be seen by the piles of metal filings under and around the base of the Fixing Assy. If you have a spare couple of hrs and a stuffed Unit, dismantle the LBA for an eye opening experience.

[teckat]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

Even with a NEW Unit there is a Note in the box regarding the greasing of the Steel Gears, in my experience it seems like Russian Roulette as to the Page Life, if a problem occurs with the Upper Belt Assy you stand a chance of repairing ie. Heater, Belt & Belt Aligning mech, not so with the Lower Belt Assy, this is where the Steel Drive Gears wear and eventually no drive to the UBA, the evidence of wear can be seen by the piles of metal filings under and around the base of the Fixing Assy. If you have a spare couple of hrs and a stuffed Unit, dismantle the LBA for an eye opening experience.

before throwing an old unit away> slice open the upper belt>
it will expose the issue of torn belts that Canon has not addressed> what happens is that the thermostat (notice uncovered face ) causes the plastic coating on metal roller to wear & tear then bunch up> eventually enough to bind up the upper belt= result in a TORN BELT or a Upper Belt that will not or ever gain correct position = the famous error code

[nogood boyo]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

I have replaced five of these in the past year (five different machines, each one with gears failed in the same location. the only information on those specific gears available is: replace the unit)


the last one, the belt was completely torn to shreds, and i'm pretty sure was the fault of the users (is it even possible for the machine to do that on its own? the belt is pretty heavy duty, and sensors would stop the fixing unit from continuing to drive, right?)

the unit was about nine months old and only had about 40 000 prints.photo.JPG

anyways, we have a bunch of these busted fixing units in storage at our shop... never returned for refurbishment... and my boss wants me to take two of them apart to rebuild a new one. I told him that i don't think i could do it... but am going to try on Tuesday... is this going to be a waste of time? Can it be done?

[nogood boyo]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

what happens is that the thermostat (notice uncovered face ) causes the plastic coating on metal roller to wear & tear then bunch up> eventually enough to bind up the upper belt= result in a TORN BELT

answered part of my question before i asked it!

[teckat]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

answered part of my question before i asked it!

we used to get that upper belt unit & gear units shipped from Canon> not anymore- NA & Not cost effective-to sit at a customer and install parts only to discover it still won't work- I can't tell u how many times a tech put that gear unit in the wrong way (broken black plastic post).
Back when these 5180's were first installed new>85% of 5180 customers had full parts repair in contracts/ what u then learned is ,u need to silently add this unit in on renewal of them.
,,
one of the problems with rebuilding these is inspection-repair time-testing-repair-testing=frustration=lost time & money

another reason is ,u need to fully inspect the unit to determine what is needed (broken teeth in gears not always visible) , & u can't inspect the interior of that U BELT. including surprises

[Fer]

Re: IRC 4080/4580/5185 Fixing unit lifetime

Back in a previous decenium we had big factories here, funded by the goverment. To give simple people some work, they were great for refurbishing units like these.