canon ir/clc

[marinax]

What is the diference between canon ir c and clc?
And what is the best solution for full colour?
Thanks!

[JustManuals]

Your best bet would be to go to the Canon website and get the information yourself, rather than have someone else do your leg work for you. You will be able to compare models there and make decisions for yourself.


Paul@justmanuals.com

[Canuck]

Simply...IRc is business/presentation color...CLC is print-for-pay color

[welshman]

irc clc

no difference at all if yoyu put a c1 rip on the irc turns it into a clc but canon wont tell you that

manuals for you you my friend have a very bad attitude to life you always critisise and moan about posts

[djbass]

That's not really true the C1 only rasterises the print job and feeds to the copier, really has no bearing on the imaging process which is where these machines really differ.

The CLC machines use very old but proven technology. The toner is fed from a hopper into a developing assembly, the developer must be replaced at scheduled intervals. There is only one imaging drum, paper is held to a large transfer drum via static charge where it must make 4 passes of the imaging drum before it can form the final image. The paper then passes between two heat rollers coated with silicon oil, some of this silicon oil is impregnated into the paper which produces a gloss finish. The print quality is exceptional, but these are very slow machines and require high maintenance.

The iRC machines are newer but use a different approach in their image formation. Toner is fed direct from the toner cartridge. Each colour has its own drum which are all customer replacable. The drum cartridge is actually a combination drum, developer & hopper in one, this means image quality will always be at its optimum, however it considerably raises the cost of replacement consumables. The image is formed onto an Intermediate Transfer Belt and transfered onto the paper in a single pass before being fixed in place using a dry process that does not produce a gloss finish. The print quality is crisp & clear, making it great for publications & business documents, photos are ok but it doesn't have as nice finish to it as the CLCs. These are a very fast machine and low maintenance (excepting the 3100 series, which you should avoid at all costs :P ).

[marinax]

Thank you all!

[Canuck]

Like stated the imagepass ci is just a rip....totally different machine..an irc will never come near the copy quality of a clc..irc is BUSINESS COLOR....clc 700-1100 have 1 drum..large clc's(2400,3200,5000) have 4 drum units. Clc uses dual component, irc mono component,large toner particle...like I said no comparison

[CanonHPTech]

Okay, like the others have said.. big difference. If you run a print shop or charge for color presentations and want people to be wowed, but are not concerned with speed than you want a CLC. If you just want to do decent color copies for business/in house, and speed is a priority or run an extremely cheap print shop who charges for OK quality or just need a walk-up color machine (for grandpa who needs to make color copies of his party invatation for the big shindig at the Lodge), then you want a IRC.
Not a CLC expert, but this I can tell you about IRCs:

IRC 3100 series or 5800/6800 series use a Rotary/Carousel (like the HP Color LaserJet 2500/4500/8500), 1 Drum/1 ITB very slow color, but fast b/w, run dirty, steer clear. 5800/6800 series developer needs to be changed like every 3 months, 100-300K, and is very involved process. IRC 4080/5180 series use straight through path with 4 Drums/1 ITB, decent prints with decent speed.
IRC 3200 series are the older version of the 4080/5180 series, decent machines, but lousy ADFs (easy to brake, easy to repair by swapping whole assy., often to fail).
IRC 3380 series are on the lower end, with 4 Drums/1 ITB, however, suffers from the similar IR 3570/4570 vertical path (everything is on the door).

Final word: ImagePass/Fiery does not turn a IRC into a CLC.

[alex@wocltd.com]

so my friend(s) what the difference bewteen an irc3200 and clc3200 bar one has i/f board and rip and the other hassurf..

what the diff bewteen clc5151 and irc5180 bar one has rip and the other has isend...

need i go on?

[djbass]

That is a tough call, to be fair you are quoting models that only exist in certain regions (Aus isn't one of them).

From a traditional standpoint CLCs have always used a very different print process. I don't have access to any technical documentation for newer CLCs because they are essentially discontinued for this region in favour of the iRCs. From looking at the Canon Europe site though it looks like their CLC range are rebadged iRCs, but once again without access to their technical documents I can't tell if and how they differ internally.

[Canuck]

I work on CLCs and IRCs...An IRC3200 and a CLC3200 are no where in any way remotely related. Totally different technology..different market..like comparing apples and rocks. To even make the slightest comparison between the two families is ridiculous. IRC= BUSINESS COLOR CLC=PRINT_FOR_PAY

[alex@wocltd.com]

How are these things marketed in your region?

over here(u.k) irc is for coropate colour ,clc for design,printshops etc

but perfectly feasible to 'upgrade' one to the other

a clc3200 is identical bar i/f board & boot rom to irc3200

[djbass]

Something I picked up on the other day, the driver does mention 'Canon CLC-iRC 3200' in its description, but I just assumed it was because the iRC was marketed as a CLC in other regions.