canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

[5ercar]

Hello!

My question to you is, why shouldn't I use all black drum instead of colore ones on canon irc 3580i . Since the price of black drum is half of color!
I know that is phisicly possible to insert black one into color slot, with chip replacement !

Does anyone have any expirience with this sort of problem! I need to know if there is any other issues with this replacement!

lp,peter

[vamoursly]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

ummm, yes I have done it, not as standard though. Buy black drum, remove black plastic alignment from underneath. I did not bother changing the chip / fuse myself, I then in this instance used it as a blue drum, took about 200 prints on a high toner density to flush out the little black toner that was in the drum before I got the correct density of blue out of it, then full autograd and life was once again great!!

Like I said I dont do this as standard as was to coin a phase I was caught short

V

[5ercar]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

ummm, yes I have done it, not as standard though. Buy black drum, remove black plastic alignment from underneath. I did not bother changing the chip / fuse myself, I then in this instance used it as a blue drum, took about 200 prints on a high toner density to flush out the little black toner that was in the drum before I got the correct density of blue out of it, then full autograd and life was once again great!!

Like I said I dont do this as standard as was to coin a phase I was caught short

V

thanks for replay, i'll try it :P

lp,peter

[canonbundy]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

Hmmm, an interesting Post, worth a thought if you have a few boxes to flog off as Renters without the big expense.
Thanks.

[vamoursly]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

Yeah, the IRC 2380 - 3580 are probably the easiest drums to rebuild, new OPC drum / cleaning blade / PCR and you are off again. I use these in emergencies though.

V

[5ercar]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

Yeah, the IRC 2380 - 3580 are probably the easiest drums to rebuild, new OPC drum / cleaning blade / PCR and you are off again. I use these in emergencies though.

V

YES the rebuild is ok,but we have most of the problems with developer, developer blade and white lines! That is the most problematic! i'm trying to fix it with lovering the blade,but sometimes works, sometimes doesn't!

you can once in life time of the drum rebuild it, but then comes developer problems!

lp,peter

[V-P]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

strange - never thought of this...

Although another question bothers me : Why is Canon pricing the color drums twice the price ?

Is it because of the little color toner inside the developer or we are missing smth else ?

[vamoursly]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

I have experimented with this for a while now. You can rebuild the drum once, then you do get issues with white lines, you can remove the dev cleaning blade, clean and replace to resolve the white line issue. I have not had a great deal of success replacing the drum chip though.

V

[5ercar]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

I have experimented with this for a while now. You can rebuild the drum once, then you do get issues with white lines, you can remove the dev cleaning blade, clean and replace to resolve the white line issue. I have not had a great deal of success replacing the drum chip though.

V

hehe, i had 50% sucess with cleaning the dev. , dev blade, itd..

So for now not so good solution!

lp,peter

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

I have experimented with this for a while now. You can rebuild the drum once, then you do get issues with white lines, you can remove the dev cleaning blade, clean and replace to resolve the white line issue. I have not had a great deal of success replacing the drum chip though.

V

Well, I had thought of starting a new thread for this post till I came across this one, and thought that probably I could bring it as a 'point of information' or of interest, or whatever you may call it. It is how I solved the problem of 'dev cleaning blade (doctor blade) and its troublesome 'white line effect', on an iR 1020\iR102 series B&W copiers.

Get an old or discarded HP laser jet BLACK toner catridge, peferably no.49A, or 12A, 35A,53A or actually any of those black catridges; disassemble it and remove the dev cleaning blade complete with its mounting ,away from the cylinder. NEXT try very carefully, to peel off the flexible blade from its metallic mounting. YOU may apply (spray) abit of WD-40 on it to soften the tough glue used to mount it. NEXT remove the dev cleaning blade from the iR 1020 dev unit, remove the 3 screws used to mount it in the plates, and release the defective blade, and in its place mount the dev cleaning blade you removed from the hp printer catridge. Mount this new 'modified part' onto the dev cylinder of your iR copier. It works perfectly well. Actually much better than the original metallic blade of the cylinder.


Note that the hp printer catrdge blade is made of rubber, while the canon ir's doctor blade is made of 'metal' BUT they are exactly SAME SIZE, and you don't need to cut any thing to size.
Here, we have had so many of this developing unit failing, yet too hard a part to get, that inorder 'to survive' we had to 'cook our head', to think much harder for a working solution. Just food for thought.

[vamoursly]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

I will investigate that thanks for the information.

Regarding the white line you can physically see the white line / lack of developer and toner on the roller, I thought this was down to either dirt foreign debris working in the dev section of the drum, or an imperfection on the cleaning blade itself?

V

[V-P]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

From my experience, white lines are created by little pieces of the black "sponge" material which gets separated and gets trapped within the dev roller.
Therefore it will stop developer to be applied to the dev roller at that position and therefore no image is being made on the drum.
You need to remove all developer material and store it somewhere while you clean inside the developing housing. Than you need to filter the developer material so that you remove the big "particles" than put back.

[Guest]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

Hi.

I have problem with new drum c-exv 21 magenta and cyan. Drum unit is done approx 2% of lifetime and then makes whine lines. We use original toners and I replace ITB unit with new one, and i replacing drums like crazy on aprox 2% to 30% of lifetime of drums. Do you have some problems with new drums and white lines on drums? Thanks for help and all good in 2015.

[5ercar]

Re: canon irc 3580 black drum for all color drums

Hi.

I have problem with new drum c-exv 21 magenta and cyan. Drum unit is done approx 2% of lifetime and then makes whine lines. We use original toners and I replace ITB unit with new one, and i replacing drums like crazy on aprox 2% to 30% of lifetime of drums. Do you have some problems with new drums and white lines on drums? Thanks for help and all good in 2015.

this looks like more like 70k drum hehe, i will predict that you checked laser that is not dirty! i can't help you because i almost can't belive this is 2% drum!

-This is first step that i would do: laser cleanup,check for orignal toner, replace ITB -> this you have done all!

-second step are my issues whit irc 3580 drums! like in upper postes, i was never full able to refurbish drum, i tried almost everything(filtering dev.,adjusting dev.blade, cleaning silicon and toner debree)nothing helped i always sooner or later had the same problem like you have now!

strage thing is that you are saying that the problem is the same with other drums!

can you post diferent drums scans! or are this two from the same drum set?

LP