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  • pmailfl
    Technician
    • May 2009
    • 35

    #1

    C9075 alternatives?

    Extremely frustrated --
    2 C9075's and I'm constantly running into issues where it is impossible to have both of these up and running at the same time. One machine has 2.6 mil, the other 600k. On the lower count unit, tech has replaced the finisher 3 times due to various issues. Latest issue -- top tray holds about 1200 sheets then it freezes and errors out. Stops, wants the job cleared out, and to restart in limited function mode. I have to shut everything down, drive the tray down manually, restart. Can't send the job to the lower tray because the driver ignores the setting (but it did work properly before this issue started).

    First machine -- Rocks in developer unit. Tech swapped out DV, rocks came back. He was about to swap it out again and I begged (for the second time) to have him pull the toner out and check it for rocks. Naturally, there were rocks in the bottle. Now my machine is apart for 3 days and waiting for the "lead tech" to come over, clean the hopper out and put everything back together.

    I AM NOT running heavy stock or anything elaborate in these. Running 20lb white paper doing variable data print jobs, approx. 180K clicks per month, average job is a straight run of 7500 3 page double sided letter, spot color, no graphics (45K clicks) and can barely get 2 jobs out before needing a service call.

    These are just the latest issues. It seems to never stop. I understand they require maintenance every so often, but I'm down more than up and not getting advertised life on drums and developers (which of course eat up close to 3K when they need replacement).

    It was recommended to purchase the second C9075 (which I did) but it hasn't helped. Just wondering if I should have gone with a C7010 (or something better than fast plastic) instead. From what I was told, they run about the same, require the same maintenance, but the C7010 is more for print shops that have a mix of jobs and run a lot of heavy stock.

    I demoed a RISO Comcolor (which I understand many transactional direct mail firms use) but it looked like absolute junk next to my C9075 letters and required paper that's five times more expensive (duplex on that thing showed bleed through on 20lb paper) so that's out.

    From a tech standpoint, what holds up in high volume, variable data direct mail sales letters. Same jobs, day in day out, with occasional book covers (which have also never printed properly on either of my C9075's -- have to outsource it every time, even short run).

    My next machine needs to be cheaper to run and more reliable. I don't care if the initial investment is a little higher and would most definitely prefer the used, low-meter market. I buy from a reputable tech in So Cal who will check out the machine first, no ebay site unseen.

    On the brighter side, the Canon B/W 7105 and 7095 have served me well.
  • teckat
    Field Supervisor

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    10,000+ Posts
    • Jan 2010
    • 16083

    #2
    Re: C9075 alternatives?

    ImagePress more reliable.

    Toner clumps usually due to possible high temperature storage of product (warehouse, delivery truck, office location, etc.)

    Make sure Printer is not pushed up against wall, u would be surprised how many techs disregard installation instructions.

    Are these printers each on dedicated outlets (meaning nothing is shared on that line)_?

    U have limited function enabled on units ?
    Have tech Check the front interlock switch.
    There is a leaf spring that actuates the finisher interlock switch. If the actuator (leaf spring) is weak, the switch can open up while running causing jams and erratic operation of the finisher.
    **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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    • pmailfl
      Technician
      • May 2009
      • 35

      #3
      Re: C9075 alternatives?

      There is 2 feet of space behind each printer, they are all on dedicated lines. My warehouse is climate controlled, 24/7. It never gets above 78 or below 65. As far as where it's stored before it got here, who knows. I did shake the bottle before inserting it and no sign of rocks. Of course, it's difficult to tell when the bottle is full and the machine gives you no easy way to take it out and re-insert it. My second 9075 has a replace toner option on the Maintaince menu, but for some reason, the first one doesn't.

      Thanks for the tip, I will ask him to check the interlock switch.

      On the 7000/7010, do you get more life out consumables, a much higher monthly duty cycle, and cheaper cost to run? I would rather make that the next machine instead of splitting jobs to 3 9075's (and right now I rarely have the opportunity to split the same run between 2, since both are never up at the same time).

      Originally posted by teckat
      ImagePress more reliable.

      Toner clumps usually due to possible high temperature storage of product (warehouse, delivery truck, office location, etc.)

      Make sure Printer is not pushed up against wall, u would be surprised how many techs disregard installation instructions.

      Are these printers each on dedicated outlets (meaning nothing is shared on that line)_?

      U have limited function enabled on units ?
      Have tech Check the front interlock switch.
      There is a leaf spring that actuates the finisher interlock switch. If the actuator (leaf spring) is weak, the switch can open up while running causing jams and erratic operation of the finisher.

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      • Rachid.Akli
        Senior Tech

        500+ Posts
        • Oct 2011
        • 595

        #4
        Re: C9075 alternatives?

        Hello,

        The attached document may help you to choose the model that will correspond to your needs.

        Monthly volumes CANON 2015 B2B.pdf

        Rachid.
        "Find a job you love and you’ll never have to work a day in your life." Nagy's father

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        • allan
          RTFM!!

          5,000+ Posts
          • Apr 2010
          • 5459

          #5
          Re: C9075 alternatives?

          Did you take a SLA agreement with your machines. Are you paying for parts? Sound like you are having a really bad time. How is the environmental conditions where the machines are?

          Do you really need such a big machine if what you describe a Konica Minolta C364e would out perform this machine. But would not recommend it for the volume you require.

          I would highly recommend a Konica minolta C754e, these machines keep on amazing me. There is a good reason for Konica Minolta to have the highest market share in color machines, at least in south-africa for sure.

          With your volumes I would recommend taking a 3 years lease agreement on 2 of these units.

          Last edited by allan; 01-12-2015, 12:04 AM. Reason: After checking the volumes 3 years lease would be in specification for 2 machines
          Whatever

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          • MFPTech
            Trusted Tech

            250+ Posts
            • Nov 2010
            • 486

            #6
            Re: C9075 alternatives?

            [QUOTE=pmailfl;452997]
            Of course, it's difficult to tell when the bottle is full and the machine gives you no easy way to take it out and re-insert it. My second 9075 has a replace toner option on the Maintaince menu, but for some reason, the first one doesn't.

            You should be able to check the toner level from the status monitor on the control panel or RUI - not just Canon but almost all manufactures offer that option.
            Are you using OEM toner?

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            • vigour
              Service Manager

              1,000+ Posts
              • Aug 2010
              • 1038

              #7
              Re: C9075 alternatives?

              WRT rocks in your dev. Shaking the toner bottle 10-12 times as written on the box is supposed to minimise that issue.
              Not many people do it, but I seldom run into the issue, which shows up as blank lines.
              It very rarely shows up again after I take the dev apart and remove one chunk/

              Ask your tech to to enable the toner removal switch.

              He needs to check which error code made your machine go into Limited Functions mode.
              Last edited by vigour; 01-12-2015, 06:22 AM.

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