Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

[Don N.]

We've rebuilt tray1 feed assy with tires, 1-way clutches, new feed clutch, replaced the whole feed assy., the registration/transfer clutch, the whole regist./ transfer unit, the tray 1 size switch assy., the fuser, and the tray 1 itself. It still pops up this screen. However, it works fine feeding letter size Short Edge First. Trays 2 & 3 are fine. Latest FW installed - G00-D2. Seen it go 40 pages sometimes, but usually jams after second page. 1 page 1/2 way under the registration roller, 1 page lead edge at exit roller. See screenshot.
Bizhub 423 paper size screenshot.jpg

[Phil B.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

We've rebuilt tray1 feed assy with tires, 1-way clutches, new feed clutch, replaced the whole feed assy., the registration/transfer clutch, the whole transfer unit, the tray 1 size switch assy., the fuser, and the tray 1 itself. It still pops up this screen. However, it works fine feeding letter size Short Edge First. Trays 2 & 3 are fine. Latest FW installed - G00-D2. Seen it go 40 pages sometimes, but usually jams after second page. 1 page 1/2 way under the registration. roller, 1 page lead edge at exit roller. See screenshot.

sounds like the registration sensor is failing or dirty.. you mentioned the clutch ..but not the sensor?

[Don N.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

The regist. sensor was replaced as part of the entire transfer guide plate & reg. roller ass'y. from a good machine with only 9k pages on it.

[Don N.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

I'm wondering if there is a setting I'm missing for tray paper size? I've checked the service mode. I just recalled some setting about inch/metric. Going to check for that now... But this only happens on tray 1 and only when feeding Long Edge First. Trays 2 & 3 are happy.

[Phil B.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

I'm wondering if there is a setting I'm missing for tray paper size? I've checked the service mode. I just recalled some setting about inch/metric. Going to check for that now... But this only happens on tray 1 and only when feeding Long Edge First. Trays 2 & 3 are happy.

could that tray have a pre-set function? like FAX?

[Don N.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

could that tray have a pre-set function? like FAX?

Thanks for replying. The "print reports" tray is always tray 1 by default. If I recall, there is a designation available for trays by soft switch, but I don't think assigning a tray to fax or special use would cause a jam and/or size error.

[REGSIS]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

We've rebuilt tray1 feed assy with tires, 1-way clutches, new feed clutch, replaced the whole feed assy., the registration/transfer clutch, the whole regist./ transfer unit, the tray 1 size switch assy., the fuser, and the tray 1 itself. It still pops up this screen. However, it works fine feeding letter size Short Edge First. Trays 2 & 3 are fine. Latest FW installed - G00-D2. Seen it go 40 pages sometimes, but usually jams after second page. 1 page 1/2 way under the registration roller, 1 page lead edge at exit roller. See screenshot.
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Is paper size for tray 1 correctly detected?
There are 2 photointerupters behind the tray which detect paper height.
What if one of them stops working in a moment when you got a message? I suppose that's your problem.
Test is simple: remove assy with 2 sensors for tray 1&2 and swith positions. Now tray1 shoud work properly and tray2 should error out.

Hope this helps.

[Phil B.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

Thanks for replying. The "print reports" tray is always tray 1 by default. If I recall, there is a designation available for trays by soft switch, but I don't think assigning a tray to fax or special use would cause a jam and/or size error.

well in most setups .. FAX is SEF... what is the paper orientation in the tray if LEF yes that would cause a jam once paper size/type is picked up by the machine

[Don N.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

Resis- We swapped t1, t2 size switch ass'ys. Problem stayed on tray 1.

Phil B- I'll check into the tray being designated as fax. Do you agree that's a soft switch? I have noticed that any tray running SEF prints out the faxes on a 4 tray customer's 283 we have. Never tried making all of their trays LEF... I just assumed since that don't have a sorter the customer likes their faxes to stick out vs. prints or copies.
That still begs the question why we've gotten upwards of 50 pages out, then back to back not more than 2. That sounds like a clutch, but they all have been replaced.
I'll report my results.

[Phil B.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

That still begs the question why we've gotten upwards of 50 pages out, then back to back not more than 2. That sounds like a clutch, but they all have been replaced.
I'll report my results.

frankly it sounds more like a sensor .. a mech clutch once it starts failing never comes back to life.. in my 30 years I have never seen it happen.

[Don N.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

frankly it sounds more like a sensor .. a mech clutch once it starts failing never comes back to life.. in my 30 years I have never seen it happen.

Maybe I should clarify that we ran 40 or 50 ok, then immediately after a jam, it jams pretty consistently after 2 pages.
Surely you've had clutches that run ok cold, but fail after they warm up? We often run 5 or 10 and the customer says, well it likes you. Then we run 30 or 50 and it shows it's butt.

I have to do my van's idler & tensioner bearings to deliver a rental tomorrow, so I hope to check into the fax tray designation later if time. Will advise.

[Don N.]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

RESOLVED!
We inadvertently installed a BH223 tray 1 feed ass'y. Trays 1 and 2 ONLY ON A BH423 have a feed sensor to keep proper spacing between sheets.

Trays 3, 3&4, and LCT (PC109, PC209, PC409) are all compatible because the lower decks use the vertical feed roller timing to keep proper sheet spacing.

BH 423 only- parts showing tray one PS11 feed sensor.jpgBH 423 only has a PS11 paper feed in sensor tray 1.jpgBH423 vs BH223 tray 1 feed sensor.jpg

[Zesti]

Re: Very strange... Bizhub 423 tray 1 jams, shows paper size error.

RESOLVED!
We inadvertently installed a BH223 tray 1 feed ass'y. Trays 1 and 2 ONLY ON A BH423 have a feed sensor to keep proper spacing between sheets.

Trays 3, 3&4, and LCT (PC109, PC209, PC409) are all compatible because the lower decks use the vertical feed roller timing to keep proper sheet spacing.

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Good work DON N, sometimes the things apparently seems same. My advise always check part nos. for the compatibility.