I own a small copy facility and have been very impressed with my minolta machines and now Konica Minolta, I own several machines at this time but am addressing an issue with my color machine, I own a Konica 8031 and while it is good it really isn't built for my enviroment I run mostly Card stock and longer run 11x17 and while I only average about 5,000 images a month I seem to wear out the poor little machine, I am looking at replacing it and my budget is very limited, I am looking at a colorforce 8050 but the konica sales rep insistis it is a peice of junk... is he correct or am I being scammed? he is trying to put me in the 351 vs me getting the 8050, your valued and knowledgeable opinions will be greatly appreciated
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i am very experienced with the 8050, i own one in a print shop i run, and i work on them every day, they are tanks!! they run very well, great quality, supplies are relativly inexpesive, and the common problems are easy fixes, you can pick one up on ebay with a fiery for less than a grand, (we sell them for $12-15k
i cant think of a better machine for your requiremets, occasional dv pull, drums usually make 100k, filters are very important to replace, fuser upper roller may split or peal early when runnng heavy stock continuously, but not often. i highly recommend.
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[kojnica sales rep insistis it is a peice of junk... is he correct or am I being scammed? he is tryeing to pout me in the 351 vs me gettign the 8050 your valued and knowledgeable opinions will be greatly apprciated[/quote]
he has a c351 one stock he really needs to get rid of, es full of s?#@$
the c351 isnt even in the same league with a 8050, print for pay is the 8050 home, moms grocery and taxs is c351 country
where are u located, i can get you a cleaned up and checked out 8050 for 4-5kComment
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about an hour outside of San Antonio, I will need a booklet finisher. and prefer a good rip which is the best for this machine?
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We have found that the 8050/c500 are only as good as the techs that work on them. As for 351 if you do lots of heavy card I would probably avoid it and go for the 8050.
If you are going to maintain itself I would avoid the 8050 as they are fairly expensive to maintain and a tricky beast to tame.Comment
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which copier would you suggest? I would like to keep it a Konica Minolta so that I can stay with the same service KMBS San Antonio, I was wondering about the c500 or the 550 I was also looking at Toshiba new stuff the estudio's... but they look like nothign more than office equipment, and I have had enough of thatComment
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CF-900!
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okay I just got a call from my Salesman form KMBS and he is offering a bizhub c451 with post inserter, the heavier booklet maker with hole punch, 4 drawers, but only the empron rip or a tad over $10,000 ... is that a machine worthy of my enviroment?Comment
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If its a new machine that's a down and dirty price with the booklet finisher, have them bring one in for a demo and run your heavy stock, try duplexing multiples and dont forget to have the salesman show you the different settings for running heavy paper. If you dont need color matching and other advanced color management tools skip the IC-409, the standard controller most likely will do everything you need. Your volume is quite low so that's not even close to being a consideration at this point as the 451 will handle 10 times what your doing now!Comment
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Go For C550Comment
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Bizhub C550 Copier/Printer/Scanner
DF-611 Reversing Auto Doc Feeder
FS-608 Saddle Finisher
PI-503 Post Inserter
PK-512 2/3 Hole Punch kit
FK-502 Super 3G Fax Board
14305.00
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From a dealer cost asspect I like the sound of the 451 deal better, if it includes what you have listed here, keep in mind that they are the same machine except for 10 CPM. Personally, I would take the 451 and use the savings for liquor and hookers, but then again thats me!
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the other price was a smidge aver I believe it was 10167. but it didn't include the post inserters ( I was wrong) and the fax board.Comment
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I'm sure at some point in your life you have heard the term "A buyers market" you are in the ultimate buyers market right now. Name your price and hold your ground, now if you really want to get things rocking call in another KM dealer or look for an NEC dealer, they handle the same machines (in this case, identical) and get them into a price war which is the dealers ultimate nightmare. Don't take a demo model or any other BS demand a new machine with the options you need........... Trust me they will accommodate you, tell them you want all the extras at the 10k price or your calling the Kyocera , Toshiba, Canon and the Ricoh dealer and really turning it into a blood bath. I own my company and have been around for 25+ years so these tactics are used on my sales geeks daily, hourly, hell every minute of every day!........ Guaranteed results and you didnt hear it from me.
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lol... thnaks, I know he cut it to the bone and I got better than national pricing .. and ps I had smaples bad by toshiba, couldn't compare even to my 3102. I decided to purchase, I think I got a good deal. thanks for all your input and help, you all helped me make the decision.
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