Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

[Drivee]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

Here are the the toner companies that have proven themselves to me.


- Static Control
- Future Graphics
- Tomoegawa



Keep in mind that it may take a couple of years from the release date of a new machine until a toner comes to market for it. They won't release a toner unless it is thoroughly tested.

FG and Tomo will supply you with just a toner. I think is that best way is to bay some known brand and not a toner. I am in this job and I fail a lot of toner types from FG or Tomo or from any toner manufacture. Printer repair cost a lot so all toner need to be tested. SCC should do a tests so that is option.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

... it is one thing to try non OEM black toner in a copier/printer but a whole lot more troublesome introducing CMYK non-OEM toner into a copier/printer.

A lot of the pressure to introduce non OEM toner into a fleet is because of customers who are in a Managed Print services agreements and pay only for the click charge. Often, to win the deal, the MPS agreement goes non-profitable because the Sales Manager was too aggressive in getting the deal. When the Service Manager reviews the fleet statistics, the Business Owner decides we cannot keep on losing money on this contract so we need to source cheaper toner.

Also, a lot of MPS agreements start from day one on cheaper non-OEM toner as a tool to capture new business.

.. a lot of dealers were forced to try non OEM toner due to supply chain disruptions caused by COVID-19.

[Scott]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

In my opinion, I agree, KYOCERA machines don't seem to like Aftermarket toners... You may save on toner cost, but if you're not getting the yields out of the drum unit, developer unit & fuser, where is the savings? Stick with Kyocera brand toners & have far more LESS headaches... I have some customers who use aftermarket toners but they know their warranty is void, and parts are not covered ... most common problems are, shadows, background, drum unit not wiping correctly, dash marks on drum, toner melting points are different also, may rub off or contaminate the fuser.... the list goes on & on. I don't claim to be a know it all, but servicing Mita/Kyocera machines since 1986, I kind of know what machines will perform & do with NON-OEM toners.

Heck I get dash marks with OEM toner

[Beewillem]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

As a copier tech, you are wise to not use generic toner because you don't know much about it. I'm not knocking you, I'm just stating a fact. For years, I owned and operated a toner cartridge business where we rebuilt our cartridges. I've tested all the major brands and many of the shit companies.

There's a reason that generic toner has a bad name and that's because a lot of it is total crap. The other reason it has a bad name is because techs/customers have a bad experience with a brand and they think all brands are crap.

Hey, not related much to the thread but I got the wrong toner for Kyocera taskalfa 2321/A that fits in my printer but isn't meant for my printer. I'll be going on a loss and can't get another one at the moment. My technician has advised me since I can't afford to buy another one or resell the one I have at the moment I should just remove the green chip on the toner and it will work with my printer. Does this actually work and should I do it?

[copykat93]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

LOL.... And just to think this turned in to a toner post after asking for feedback on a specific Kyocera model... Things that make ya go hummmmm

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

[tsbservice]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

Then there were the waste containers. Got talked into a case of these by a different supplier. "These are simple, it's just a box, what could go wrong?" Well, how about the bottoms are COMPLETELY MISSING?! School calls in to say there is toner everywhere. There was no bottom on the waste container they installed a few days ago. These went out to more than just this one school because afterall, what could go wrong with a box?

Now I get to lay in bed at night and wonder where the other 9 are and if they have bottoms missing. Just not worth it.

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Really good writing skills, Bravo. And commiserations this is almost toner bomb introduced into your machines.
As for compatible toners speaking of A3 models imho OEM toners are quite fairly priced not worth long-term risking to compromise/shorten expensive parts life.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

Image Star was the last brand I tried on Sharp. Ran well for months then we got into a "new lot" and techs are running about taking care of all kinds of toner issues. Fortunately I limited this test to one school system so the problem wasn't widespread and it hit all at once. I have tried several brnds over the last 20 years but they never got past the trial stage. I have read on here that Static Control is about the best aftermarket but I am done trying to replace OEM toner that never fails.

Then there were the waste containers. Got talked into a case of these by a different supplier. "These are simple, it's just a box, what could go wrong?" Well, how about the bottoms are COMPLETELY MISSING?! School calls in to say there is toner everywhere. There was no bottom on the waste container they installed a few days ago. These went out to more than just this one school because afterall, what could go wrong with a box?

Now I get to lay in bed at night and wonder where the other 9 are and if they have bottoms missing. Just not worth it.

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My advice to any copier tech would be to stay away from generic toner. You don't have the equipment nor time to do the testing. I wouldn't take anyone's word for it. Don't even take my word for it. The only way to know for sure is to do the testing. That costs a lot of time and money. You'd really need to be in the business of toner rebuilding.


Let me tell you how good some aftermarket toner is? It's good enough that the federal government mandates that a certain percentage of their toner must be aftermarket.


But like I said, it's too much of a burden for a tech to be worrying about it.

[mloudy]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

Image Star was the last brand I tried on Sharp. Ran well for months then we got into a "new lot" and techs are running about taking care of all kinds of toner issues. Fortunately I limited this test to one school system so the problem wasn't widespread and it hit all at once. I have tried several brnds over the last 20 years but they never got past the trial stage. I have read on here that Static Control is about the best aftermarket but I am done trying to replace OEM toner that never fails.

Then there were the waste containers. Got talked into a case of these by a different supplier. "These are simple, it's just a box, what could go wrong?" Well, how about the bottoms are COMPLETELY MISSING?! School calls in to say there is toner everywhere. There was no bottom on the waste container they installed a few days ago. These went out to more than just this one school because afterall, what could go wrong with a box?

Now I get to lay in bed at night and wonder where the other 9 are and if they have bottoms missing. Just not worth it.

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[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

What are your suggestions of non oem toners for the Kyocera, Billy?

Here are the the toner companies that have proven themselves to me.


- Static Control
- Future Graphics
- Tomoegawa



Keep in mind that it may take a couple of years from the release date of a new machine until a toner comes to market for it. They won't release a toner unless it is thoroughly tested.

[copiertec]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

What are your suggestions of non oem toners for the Kyocera, Billy?

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

It drives me nuts, that me just giving my opinion made you fly off the handle...LMAO!!

You are right Billy... I have tried Katun brand & also have tried Innovera & maybe another off brand... But hey, you do you! I don't like making 50 mile trips to a customer because of a quality issue & the machine has less than 100K on it.. I clean & sweep out the developer unit, add OEM toner & never have the same issue a 2nd time. I know there is plenty of people who like Generic toner & good for them, But with my experience of trying it.. it isn't worth the recalls, & other issues mentioned. That's all... JMO have a great day

As a copier tech, you are wise to not use generic toner because you don't know much about it. I'm not knocking you, I'm just stating a fact. For years, I owned and operated a toner cartridge business where we rebuilt our cartridges. I've tested all the major brands and many of the shit companies.

There's a reason that generic toner has a bad name and that's because a lot of it is total crap. The other reason it has a bad name is because techs/customers have a bad experience with a brand and they think all brands are crap.

[copykat93]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

It drives me nuts, that me just giving my opinion made you fly off the handle...LMAO!! I never said aftermarket toners suck, I said Kyocera machines don't like em...

You are right Billy... I have tried Katun brand & also have tried Innovera & maybe another off brand... But hey, you do you! I don't like making 50 mile trips to a customer because of a quality issue & the machine has less than 100K on it.. I clean & sweep out the developer unit, add OEM toner & never have the same issue a 2nd time. I know there is plenty of people who like Generic toner & good for them, But with my experience of trying it.. it isn't worth the recalls, & other issues mentioned. That's all... JMO have a great day

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

It drive me nuts when people say that "so and so copier doesn't like aftermarket toners.

First off, you guys talk about "aftermarket" like it's one brand. There are MANY different aftermarket brands and I highly doubt that any of you have tried enough of them to give an informed opinion.


What brands have you tried? In my experience, a person will try one, maybe two, brands and from there on out in their mind all aftermarket toner suck.


Rant off.

[copykat93]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

In my opinion, I agree, KYOCERA machines don't seem to like Aftermarket toners... You may save on toner cost, but if you're not getting the yields out of the drum unit, developer unit & fuser, where is the savings? Stick with Kyocera brand toners & have far more LESS headaches... I have some customers who use aftermarket toners but they know their warranty is void, and parts are not covered ... most common problems are, shadows, background, drum unit not wiping correctly, dash marks on drum, toner melting points are different also, may rub off or contaminate the fuser.... the list goes on & on. I don't claim to be a know it all, but servicing Mita/Kyocera machines since 1986, I kind of know what machines will perform & do with NON-OEM toners.

[kp101]

Re: Looking for feedback on the Kyocera P3045dn printers

Is that a serious question? OEM only, if you have been on this site long enough you should know Kyocera's do not work good at all with generic toners.

Yes it was, last company I was at used generic and we always had dev and drum issues. When the numbers were run they saved $40K after parts and time were factored in. I haven't bought any generics for my Kyoceras yet but seems like alot of people are using them.