Panasonic 6030 series

[Magebomba]

Please help!! From a fellow tech.--

I have a 6030 in particular that has been locking up the fuser web and making that noise that we all know well. These junk machines are killing me!

This machine I have replaced Drum unit, Developer then Developer unit, Transfer Corona assy., tinkered with fuser temp/TDC gain vtg., Fuser(3 of them) with different Web assy. each time, Web assy gear and one way arm for solenoid.

I have run the machine with door open and the solenoid for the web works, its just that the oil web gets covered with toner every time then it starts to squeel.

Have tried different oil webs from Katun and another aftermarket because Panasonic admits their webs do not have enough oil, even suggested to us to add oil!?!?!?!?

Sooo, my main problem is that in addition to I will run any number of copies(20-300) then after the job I run 1 single copy and it has toner on the back of the page from the pressure roller being dirty.
I am thinking it has to be either the Fuser roller not being cleaned properly, or its not getting hot enough therefore leaving residue toner on fuser roller which in turn transfers that to the press roller.

I am losing my mind, if anyone could help me out I would appreciate it, I am sure a lot of us are dealing with this and Panasonic does not seem to care with the suggestions they have given us.
THANKS!!!

[User Name]

I've only ever had this problem once on an 8035. I changed the web assembly and that solved my problem.

You could try setting F5-74 to 1/10. That might help.

These junk machines are killing me!THANKS!!!

I don't think they're junk.

[Magebomba]

do you work for panasonic? lol
thanks for the help though i have seen this sort of problem plus a plethora of overtoning problems with these machines. compared to the canons i work on i absolutly dread when i get dispatched to a pana.
we always set machines up for 1/10 just to get them to run as lean as possible. I also close the doctor blade a little more than from factory. Man i have changed every major compnent in this dang thing, including SPC PCB and AC Driver thinking maybe the signals for temp or the actual voltages were out of wack. like you said, normally I would change that web gear and/or one way arm, but i believe that is just a band aid to the real problem i havent found yet(like maybe there is too much torque ruining the one way gear and arm on the web assy) tested the customers wall outlet and all. I wish we could set them to 1/5 or even 1/2 lol. I bet I have 30-40 of these series in my territory and i have had issues with about a dozen of them consistently, only related to fuser/overtone/hopper unit, that sort of thing. the mechanics work fine.

[Magebomba]

and honestly I should note that I do not have any 8060/45's in the feild with these problems and only one 8035 so should have said 3510-6030

[User Name]

do you work for panasonic? lol.

No, but I have very little experience on anything but Panasonic copiers. I always hear about these over-toning problems on this site, but I've rarely had these issues. I service hundreds of these things.

and honestly I should note that I do not have any 8060/45's in the feild with these problems and only one 8035 so should have said 3510-6030

Doesn't make too much of a difference. From what I can tell the fuser units of the 80 series and the 3510-6030 series are nearly identical.

[User Name]

Have you tried adjusting the fuser temp. (F6-31)?

[Magebomba]

ya they are nearly identical which points me to developer/toner creating the fuser issue. and also begs the question why there are so many different toners for all in this series. 6010 is different than 6020, yet the developer fits all of the 10,20,30 series. same developer different toner hmmmm i cant make sense of it. then, even though nearly everything is repackaged into the 80 series and tweaked voltages and bias', its the same thing, but again new toner and developer, so maybe they got it right this time.
I have talked with a couple other dealers about the issues and a lot of theirs was resolved using katun oil webs. although i agree they are better, it still hasnt helped me. ive become a pro at detoning and tweaking to get these babies working, its just this one that has not responded to any of my fixes grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
I used to love panasonic and thats all i worked on. man if you had a hundred canon machines you would see the light lol! jk im glad you are having good luck with them. analog panas were the best analogs eva!

[otuvak]

I have had good luck adj F6-21 to -35 no matter what it sets up at after running dev. I will also move it up 5 at a time then running about 100 copies each time to get to -35. I have more problems with 2310-3030 series with web stalling and oil pooled everywhere with katun webs.

[User Name]

why there are so many different toners for all in this series. 6010 is different than 6020, yet the developer fits all of the 10,20,30 series. same developer different toner hmmmm i cant make sense of it.

That way they can charge you more for 6020 toner vs. the 6010 toner. You can modify the toner hopper to fit all the different toner bottles if you really want to. We use Katun toner, which is designed to fit in all the models.

I used to love panasonic and thats all i worked on. man if you had a hundred canon machines you would see the light lol! jk im glad you are having good luck with them. analog panas were the best analogs eva!

Na, I'm good and the 77 series was awesome, still got a handful of them out there still kickin'.


Sorry, but I don't have anymore advice for your problem, but you seem smart so I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually. Good luck.

[Logged-on]

I personally love the 8060 series. I believe your problem is your upper fuser roller. They don't always show the obvious wear over their surface, but what I've found happens after the UFR wears some , it causes resistance in the web feed, and the web drive isn't strong enough to pull the web. The first thing I do when I come across this problem, is to replace the UFR (they usually go their 240k or better for me), and as mentioned check the 1-ways on the web drive gear, I usually don't hesitate to replace them.(old style gear is white new is black, PN: PJDGC0195z, and the lever, DZJM000727).

Next to ensure the web feeds properly, it has to have those few millimeters of movement when mounted on the fuser. I find the more freely it slides the better the web seems to feed. I've noticed the screw securing the front plate of the web is sometimes slightly loose, simply tightening the screw will strengthen the frame, and allow it to square up, and allowing the web unit to slide across the top of the fuser with better movement. With this being said, if the web unit when being reassembled was not fitted into the slots of the plastic plates properly, it can cause resistance in the web feed.

(I've gotten pretty good at replacing the UFR's, here's a tip I don't think most do, Once removing the top frame, if you only disassemble the rear side (gear side) , and just detach the rear terminal screws and lamp holder, then you can slide the UFR out from the rear with some needle nose pliers, leaving the lamps attached to the front terminals)

OK, so first make sure the fuser is in good condition, if you are replacing the UFR, be sure the LFR bearings (sometimes tough to determine with the UFR in place) are moving freely. Next check your web, frame and drive assembly, and of course the sponge roller for flat spots. finally make sure the web slides back and forth freely across the fuser frame.

Finally, I've found there are accounts that really push those machines possibly either all day or only at certain times of the day, it seems those machines will run hotter then a machine under a less stressful load, so lowering the fuser temp significantly could help. But again, once you lose that UFR surface your problem will likely remain.

Oh and another thing we used to use aftermarket webs in these machines, and we found that they are too thick for the web assemblies to function properly. We went back to oem webs and have had significantly reduced our problems.


Hope this helps good luck!!

(PS, per your poll, hopefully fuser issues pretty well explained, Developer issues agreed in the 77 series they were never addressed, when the 30's came out Panasonic finally addressed the problem, and from what I understand it was caused by an employee covering up the problem to prevent blame. After the problem was addressed the only developer problems I had seen where when a customer would put an old style toner in on top of a new style toner. That was until our company decided to go to aftermarket toner to save money, and now we are having issues with light copies in probably about 50 % of our service calls now. Lastly, as far as tech support, admittedly I am not the most reliant tech on support, but I know Panasonic at least was replacing the screens for free, I know there are companies that would charge for an upgrade kit, as a matter of opinion, it seems some brands I work on plan parts to fail just to profit on the companies representing them, I haven't noticed Panasonic doing that).


I had to lol as I clicked the "post quick reply" button.

[20gaugeO/U]

Re: Panasonic 6030 series

In a few select locations we have had to modify and put in a pressure cleaning roller (Ricoh) to get the dirty on back of 1 copy to go away. These were 80's fresh out of the box. Everything else looked good, the fuser just couldn't clean itself enough. Tech support wanted pics and service mode printouts. Very interesting......NEVER heard back from them. Now they are gone....

I'll take a 35-45-60 cpm Panasonic over a 23-30 cpm any day!!!

[copiman]

Re: Panasonic 6030 series

In a few select locations we have had to modify and put in a pressure cleaning roller (Ricoh) to get the dirty on back of 1 copy to go away. These were 80's fresh out of the box. Everything else looked good, the fuser just couldn't clean itself enough. Tech support wanted pics and service mode printouts. Very interesting......NEVER heard back from them. Now they are gone....

I'll take a 35-45-60 cpm Panasonic over a 23-30 cpm any day!!!

How did you modify and what part # did you use?

[20gaugeO/U]

Re: Panasonic 6030 series

Ricoh #A097-4261

Disassemble entire fuser like doing a PM. Use some thick washers (Riso feed tire collars work well for us #607-16001-000), place cleaning roller under the pressure roller so it makes decent contact, mark, drill 2 holes in the bottom plate of the fusing unit, attach screws up from the bottom towards the pressure roller. Make sure you get the orientation of the cleaning roller to work with the pressure roller while the machine is running.

Sorry, I used to have pictures but I couldn't find them. Might have been on old computer. I'll try and grab a pic if I get a call on one of these machines.

Good Luck

[pacman]

Re: Panasonic 6030 series

Interesting....

I happen to like the 80 series, but to be honest, we never really sold anything less than 35 CPM. The lower speeds were junk boxes to me. We do have fuser issues and what not, but they're a cinch to rebuild and replace. We usually keep some in stock just in case. Coming from a Panasonic background, we've sold everything from the 71 series to the 8060's over the years. I always happened to like Panasonic.

The box that we REALLY liked from Panasonic were the DP-C264 and up series, but that's a different story. Panasonic finally got something right and then quit. Now the A4 (MB-350 and c210) are absolute garbage.

[mojorolla]

Re: Panasonic 6030 series

Interesting....

I happen to like the 80 series, but to be honest, we never really sold anything less than 35 CPM. The lower speeds were junk boxes to me. We do have fuser issues and what not, but they're a cinch to rebuild and replace. We usually keep some in stock just in case. Coming from a Panasonic background, we've sold everything from the 71 series to the 8060's over the years. I always happened to like Panasonic.

The box that we REALLY liked from Panasonic were the DP-C264 and up series, but that's a different story. Panasonic finally got something right and then quit. Now the A4 (MB-350 and c210) are absolute garbage.

I too enjoy the DP-C Panasonic color series. Good runner, can skip the 120k PM and developer is good to half a million. What more could you ask for?
As for the A4 machines, agreed, absolute garbage. One last "up yours" to technicians before they got out.