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  • Herostrat
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    100+ Posts
    • Oct 2012
    • 220

    #1

    MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

    I have this problem on two machines,AF2060 and MP6000 both fusers are ok, with no visible problems,both have brand new parts with AF 2060 having "for use" parts (loads of other machines use those parts without any problems) and MP 6000 having Ricoh parts.
    Both machines melt cleaning web to the orange web pressure roller,web assembly gears and engines are ok and working without problems,I tested it removing them out while connected to fusers,cheat doors and run SP 5804 55.
    Owner of AF2060 had SC 542 and tried on his own to reset it with SP5801 002 (thanks world wide web...) to see his fuser melt both hot and pressure roller in place.
    Aside from him making mistake to reset SC the wrong way I'm afraid that even proper resetting of any fuser related SC on both machines may cause them to melt rollers.
    At first I thought that bent or dirty thermistors may cause problems,but even old ones were clean and in proper place leaning on hot rollers,I replaced thermofuses thinking they should have broken the curcuit when overheat was detected but melting still reappears probably because web melting temperature is lower than thermofuse braking temp,new web also didn't help.
    This all leads me to conclusion that machine doesn't start rotating fuser when it should,misread temperature can make hot roller hotter than it should be but machine won't rotate until it's just right causing hot roller to melt web.
    While I'm on the field I monitor the center and end thermistor temperature,measuring shows both center and end temp to follow each other equal from 180c up to 199c give or take.
    I'll go there again to try it out with PSU or BCU board,maybe fuser harness but before I do maybe there are some thoughts or experiences on this around here.
    Thanks.
    Gears,springs,clutches,sliders,connectors and electronics...who on earth can tell what's wrong with it?
  • slimslob
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    25,000+ Posts
    • May 2013
    • 36831

    #2
    Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

    Originally posted by Herostrat
    I have this problem on two machines,AF2060 and MP6000 both fusers are ok, with no visible problems,both have brand new parts with AF 2060 having "for use" parts (loads of other machines use those parts without any problems) and MP 6000 having Ricoh parts.
    Both machines melt cleaning web to the orange web pressure roller,web assembly gears and engines are ok and working without problems,I tested it removing them out while connected to fusers,cheat doors and run SP 5804 55.
    Owner of AF2060 had SC 542 and tried on his own to reset it with SP5801 002 (thanks world wide web...) to see his fuser melt both hot and pressure roller in place.
    Aside from him making mistake to reset SC the wrong way I'm afraid that even proper resetting of any fuser related SC on both machines may cause them to melt rollers.
    At first I thought that bent or dirty thermistors may cause problems,but even old ones were clean and in proper place leaning on hot rollers,I replaced thermofuses thinking they should have broken the curcuit when overheat was detected but melting still reappears probably because web melting temperature is lower than thermofuse braking temp,new web also didn't help.
    This all leads me to conclusion that machine doesn't start rotating fuser when it should,misread temperature can make hot roller hotter than it should be but machine won't rotate until it's just right causing hot roller to melt web.
    While I'm on the field I monitor the center and end thermistor temperature,measuring shows both center and end temp to follow each other equal from 180c up to 199c give or take.
    I'll go there again to try it out with PSU or BCU board,maybe fuser harness but before I do maybe there are some thoughts or experiences on this around here.
    Thanks.
    What happens is that they keep resetting the error. When the error is an over heat error, the hot roller just keeps getting hotter and hotter until it melts something. I always tell people who have found how to reset fuser errors is that it is not to be used more than once an hour. If the code comes back there is a parts failure.

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    • Herostrat
      Trusted Tech

      100+ Posts
      • Oct 2012
      • 220

      #3
      Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

      MP 6000 newer had any fuser error but I can see at least 2 spots on web where it was melted,I think machine don't generate SC when melting WEB...not allways at least.
      Even AF2060 had only 2 SC's in history but lots more tracks on web.
      Gears,springs,clutches,sliders,connectors and electronics...who on earth can tell what's wrong with it?

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      • Iowatech
        Not a service manager

        2,500+ Posts
        • Dec 2009
        • 3930

        #4
        Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

        This might be nonsense, but you might want to check the web drive. I don't know if I've seen it on those machines, but I have seen where the web drive failed, and the accumulated toner plus the web turning brown made it look like there was melting going on.
        There were no fuser codes in those cases if I remember correctly.

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        • Herostrat
          Trusted Tech

          100+ Posts
          • Oct 2012
          • 220

          #5
          Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

          Web drive is ok,gears and stopper aren't worn out or broken and drive motor spins just fine,tested with SP5804-55.
          Gears,springs,clutches,sliders,connectors and electronics...who on earth can tell what's wrong with it?

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          • trc
            Technician

            50+ Posts
            • Jan 2007
            • 95

            #6
            Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

            Sometimes is the gear located at one side of the orange roller.....the correct position of this gear is separated of the roller, not touching the roller side.

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            • Herostrat
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              • Oct 2012
              • 220

              #7
              Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

              I call that one the stopper if you are referring to brown gear on the rear side of orange pressure roller,mounted on roller axis,and it have metal plate leaning on it...that one is fine also.
              I'm still convinced that problem isn't in web assembly but in boards or maybe NVRAM,I'm not sure why machine don't rotate fuser after certain point during the warm up but I think it's that moment when fuser is heating up but stands idle when melting occurs,heat can't be redistributed on pressure and cleaning roller.
              Gears,springs,clutches,sliders,connectors and electronics...who on earth can tell what's wrong with it?

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              • Herostrat
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                100+ Posts
                • Oct 2012
                • 220

                #8
                Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

                It appears that MP6000 stopped melting web with a rebuild and oddly AF2060 stopped popping up SC 555 and SC542 after we replaced HDD...
                It's a weird fix for AF 2060,yet I do recall one MPC2500 popping all sorts of fuser related codes that stopped once HDD was disconnected,my guess is that HDD drive electronics can surge alot of current if HDD is malfunctioned,I hope this helps someone.
                Gears,springs,clutches,sliders,connectors and electronics...who on earth can tell what's wrong with it?

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                • LNorris
                  Senior Tech

                  500+ Posts
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 645

                  #9
                  Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

                  i dont have the the tech bulletin handy, but there was on for the web motor. might want to look for that.

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                  • LNorris
                    Senior Tech

                    500+ Posts
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 645

                    #10
                    Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

                    try this, its for the 6001 but may apply to yours
                    Attached Files

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                    • Herostrat
                      Trusted Tech

                      100+ Posts
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 220

                      #11
                      Re: MP 6000 fuser melting cleaning WEB

                      Thanks for the replies guys but it's solved with HDD replacing,Thanks for the bulletin tho it looks interesting.
                      Gears,springs,clutches,sliders,connectors and electronics...who on earth can tell what's wrong with it?

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