what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

[fshead]

i dont move many faxes anymore but do have the occasions when i sell a used"lease return",multi function unit.
ie copy,print,scan and fax. i try to buy lowest meter count.
is there a difference with these units?.
are they the same?
is this true with the other models too?
thnx in advance

[TonerMunkeh]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

Stella's are a bit of an odd bird in the way they are configured. Some of them have GDI controllers, some have proper GW controllers. If you can, ignore the meter count and pick the SPF model, they are the best configuration.

[tufbnme]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

I'd steer away from the 171, I have had many more issues with them over the older 161. Look for the 201.
This may answer some of your questions.
MP171 product support MP171.pdf

[fshead]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

Stella's are a bit of an odd bird in the way they are configured. Some of them have GDI controllers, some have proper GW controllers. If you can, ignore the meter count and pick the SPF model, they are the best configuration.

thnx
i would ignore the meter but its hard when im looking at a 10k 171 vs a 120k 171SP.
Engine wise,drum,fuser,paper feed are they the same box?
my application is simple,small office single user wanting copy,fax,print and scan doing 3k to 5k a month.
i looked at the 201sp and they too are 120k plus lowest meters.
thnx

[Counsel]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

On those machines anything under 200k is still good thats only a couple PCUs and a fuser rebuilt, about the only thing that really goes out those besides fuser and PCU is the feed clutch for the tray beyond that its just regular PM stuff. We have Mp171spf with over a million on their counters, we got about 8 of these in one company all over 500k to 1 mil and still going. 120k is really nothing on these machines even if seems that way. I have seen them in low use areas run for more then a year or 2 without a service call. Really after 120k your probably likely have updated parts installed and clutches replaced already vs one that has not hit 100k yet.

[fshead]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

On those machines anything under 200k is still good thats only a couple PCUs and a fuser rebuilt, about the only thing that really goes out those besides fuser and PCU is the feed clutch for the tray beyond that its just regular PM stuff. We have Mp171spf with over a million on their counters, we got about 8 of these in one company all over 500k to 1 mil and still going. 120k is really nothing on these machines even if seems that way. I have seen them in low use areas run for more then a year or 2 without a service call. Really after 120k your probably likely have updated parts installed and clutches replaced already vs one that has not hit 100k yet.

ok thnx for the solid reply,just so i know are the pcu s and fuser rollers the same as the plain 171 or do you have to stock two different types. as i recall the 171 drum life is same as 1013 copier pcu at 45k.

[tufbnme]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

A million on a 171 or 201? Makes me rethink the machine.

[Iowatech]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

A million on a 171 or 201? Makes me rethink the machine.

Also, the people who are using those machines should get awards for patience.

[Lagonda]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

A million on a 171 or 201? Makes me rethink the machine.

If they managed to get that many through one of the tiddlers it's long past the time they were upgraded. Some salesman wasn't doing his job.

[Polarbear]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

i dont move many faxes anymore but do have the occasions when i sell a used"lease return",multi function unit.
ie copy,print,scan and fax. i try to buy lowest meter count.
is there a difference with these units?.
are they the same?
is this true with the other models too?
thnx in advance

Hi FSHEAD

Here in South Africa this is how we get them.

These boxes are generally easy to identify by the model name:

MP171 - base model copier only - most times does not have a DF only a Platen cover
MP171LN - Horrible GDI controller machine - makeshft el-cheapo print controller - stay away!
MP171F - Copier + fax - although the controller has ports for usb and nic - they are dead to the machine and do nothing
MP171SP - Copier + ARDF + scan and print + Fax - full house - best option.

All of the above share parts (hotroller/pressure roller/pcu/transfer roller) All mechanical parts are the same including covers and doors. The only catch is the boards - the GDI is completely different - I repeat stay away!

In fact these mechanical parts also fit on the MP201/LN/F/SP - except again for boards.

Bottom line is MP 161/171/201 are all mechanically the same so stocking parts is easy. The best value for money is the SP as it is the "full house" which you get all options factory fitted.

The only pains we have had was a dodgy batch of Ricoh pcus that did not make yield. They don't like stretching the pcus to far past life or they start pouring dev everywhere and breaking dev auger gears. Cq then also starts going to pot.

Hope this helps.

[fshead]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

Hi FSHEAD

Here in South Africa this is how we get them.

These boxes are generally easy to identify by the model name:

MP171 - base model copier only - most times does not have a DF only a Platen cover
MP171LN - Horrible GDI controller machine - makeshft el-cheapo print controller - stay away!
MP171F - Copier + fax - although the controller has ports for usb and nic - they are dead to the machine and do nothing
MP171SP - Copier + ARDF + scan and print + Fax - full house - best option.

All of the above share parts (hotroller/pressure roller/pcu/transfer roller) All mechanical parts are the same including covers and doors. The only catch is the boards - the GDI is completely different - I repeat stay away!

In fact these mechanical parts also fit on the MP201/LN/F/SP - except again for boards.

Bottom line is MP 161/171/201 are all mechanically the same so stocking parts is easy. The best value for money is the SP as it is the "full house" which you get all options factory fitted.

The only pains we have had was a dodgy batch of Ricoh pcus that did not make yield. They don't like stretching the pcus to far past life or they start pouring dev everywhere and breaking dev auger gears. Cq then also starts going to pot.

Hope this helps.

THNX a bunch..
you know servicing ricoh line is like having a bipolar girlfreind you never know what you are getting into...
i still dont get ricohs thought process as i have seen the models with and without sp but still wth print,nic,scan..
i just lucked out a few mp201spf with less than 1k on them,had to double take.
i have toassume these units have the small sata laptop hard drives in them.

[TayTayTheTechnician]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

Stella's are a bit of an odd bird in the way they are configured. Some of them have GDI controllers, some have proper GW controllers. If you can, ignore the meter count and pick the SPF model, they are the best configuration.

I agree with this statement. I have seen this model go to 500k+. If you know the ins and outs of the 171, you have a reliable multifunction. keep an eye out for clutches causing jamming. other than that, the whole unit is really just the PCUD and the fixing assembly. throw a sep pad in there every once in a while and you are golden.

[sandmanmac]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

THNX a bunch..
i just lucked out a few mp201spf with less than 1k on them,had to double take.
i have toassume these units have the small sata laptop hard drives in them.

...IF they have them at all, yes.
It's optional, and I personally have only come a cross a handful that did.
By the way, for my 2 cents, I have no issues at all with this line all the way back to the 1515. For a small box they run very well. A little slow by today's standards, yes, but that's about all.

[tufbnme]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

THNX a bunch..
i have toassume these units have the small sata laptop hard drives in them.

They may not have HDD, it is an option. Run a config page a check.

[rthonpm]

Re: what is the difference between a AFMP171SP and a AFMP 171 WTH print,fax,scan?

The 161, 171, and even the 1515 are essentially models you can drop off and forget about seeing for at least two or three years most of the time. Love those little machines for small offices and workgroups.

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