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  • Mark Bbb
    Service Manager

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    • Jun 2012
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    #1

    mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

    Hoi,
    It Happen sometimes, always just before the regi. roll's without creases.
    The attachment of an earlier thread says the 2 one way bushings of the paper feed can cause these jams.
    There is not a regi clutch present, it is motor-feeding, so it has to be the one way roller gears?
    It seems it only jams with tray 1, not tray 2...
    so the only way is the one way ?
    Greetings,
    Mark
  • TonerMunkeh
    Professional Moron

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    • Apr 2008
    • 3865

    #2
    Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

    Try changing the spring clutches on the paper feed first. They are a bit of a bugger to get at on tray 1 though.
    It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

    Hit it.

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    • Mark Bbb
      Service Manager

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      #3
      Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

      Originally posted by TonerMunkeh
      Try changing the spring clutches on the paper feed first. They are a bit of a bugger to get at on tray 1 though.
      Tonermunkeh: I think you mean

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      • Byrne

        #4
        Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

        I agree with feed clutch. I've had this and if you can manage to get the spout of a tin of solvent in to the clutch and give it a squirt, and it feeds okay, order a clutch and they are a fiddely to fit but do-able. And it will get you out of the whatsit until you can fit one.

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        • Mark Bbb
          Service Manager

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          • Jun 2012
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          #5
          Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

          Originally posted by Byrne
          I agree with feed clutch. I've had this and if you can manage to get the spout of a tin of solvent in to the clutch and give it a squirt, and it feeds okay, order a clutch and they are a fiddely to fit but do-able. And it will get you out of the whatsit until you can fit one.
          My training material is saying that there are no paper feed clutches in this machine; there is a motor and there are two one way gears or bushings / tray.
          So what is that you mean?
          Could it be that the motor must be adjusted for "staying on for a longer period of time"?
          If you are just guessing, don't forget to mention it please!

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          • Mark Bbb
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            #6
            Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

            I checked the part catalogus, there is no paper feed spring clutch in this machine, only roller clutches.
            So can you please be more serious when replying?
            Thank you.

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            • slimslob
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              • May 2013
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              #7
              Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

              Originally posted by Mark Bbb
              My training material is saying that there are no paper feed clutches in this machine; there is a motor and there are two one way gears or bushings / tray.
              So what is that you mean?
              Could it be that the motor must be adjusted for "staying on for a longer period of time"?
              If you are just guessing, don't forget to mention it please!
              Originally posted by Mark Bbb
              Tonermunkeh: I think you mean
              Originally posted by Mark Bbb
              I checked the part catalogus, there is no paper feed spring clutch in this machine, only roller clutches.
              So can you please be more serious when replying?
              Thank you.
              D0391166 & 64 have been replaced by D1051166 & 64. They are gears with a one-way spring clutch. Parts catalog descriptions can be misleading.

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              • Mark Bbb
                Service Manager

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                #8
                Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                Originally posted by slimslob
                D0391166 & 64 have been replaced by D1051166 & 64. They are gears with a one-way spring clutch. Parts catalog descriptions can be misleading.
                I love my pussycat!

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                • Mark Bbb
                  Service Manager

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                  #9
                  Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                  Originally posted by Byrne
                  I agree with feed clutch. I've had this and if you can manage to get the spout of a tin of solvent in to the clutch and give it a squirt, and it feeds okay, order a clutch and they are a fiddely to fit but do-able. And it will get you out of the whatsit until you can fit one.
                  Byrne, how wright you were. Indeed, the clutch-gears have a spring on it. Thank you!

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                  • TonerMunkeh
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                    • Apr 2008
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                    #10
                    Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                    Originally posted by Mark Bbb
                    Byrne, how wright you were. Indeed, the clutch-gears have a spring on it. Thank you!
                    So after blatantly disputing the fact this machine even has spring clutches you are rude enough to say people are giving you duff advice? Really.
                    It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

                    Hit it.

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                    • Mark Bbb
                      Service Manager

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                      • Jun 2012
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                      #11
                      Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                      Originally posted by TonerMunkeh
                      So after blatantly disputing the fact this machine even has spring clutches you are rude enough to say people are giving you duff advice? Really.
                      Yeh, really!

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                      • Mark Bbb
                        Service Manager

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                        • Jun 2012
                        • 1662

                        #12
                        Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                        So guy's, thank you all! I have opened the machine, tray 2 is no problem, but tray 1 seems to be really hard to remove the paper feed unit ...
                        May I ask you how (im)possible it is to remove and re-install the paper feed motor ass'y off tray 1?
                        Thank you in advance for your answer ...
                        Greetings,
                        Mark

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                        • slimslob
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                          #13
                          Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                          Paper feed motors remove from the back of the machine.

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                          • mohan
                            Technician

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                            • Oct 2013
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                            #14
                            Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                            Originally posted by Mark Bbb
                            Hoi,
                            It Happen sometimes, always just before the regi. roll's without creases.
                            The attachment of an earlier thread says the 2 one way bushings of the paper feed can cause these jams.
                            There is not a regi clutch present, it is motor-feeding, so it has to be the one way roller gears?
                            It seems it only jams with tray 1, not tray 2...
                            so the only way is the one way ?
                            Greetings,
                            Mark
                            It's been awhile since I worked on these, but if I remember rightly, the user is required to lock down the lift-plate when loading paper in the tray. If this is done too forcefully, it can cause the right hand slider rail for the tray to deform, causing the feed roller to rub against the paper guide and cause jams. A symptom on testing is a sort of groaning noise just before a jam.
                            Last edited by mohan; 05-30-2016, 10:10 PM. Reason: testing

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                            • mohan
                              Technician

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                              • Oct 2013
                              • 87

                              #15
                              Re: mpc2050 jams at regi. sens. log -17

                              Originally posted by mohan
                              It's been awhile since I worked on these, but if I remember rightly, the user is required to lock down the lift-plate when loading paper in the tray. If this is done too forcefully, it can cause the right hand slider rail for the tray to deform, causing the feed roller to rub against the paper guide and cause jams. A symptom on testing is a sort of groaning noise just before a jam.
                              PS. A good way to confirm whether this is indeed the cause is to place your hand on the front RH side of the tray and slightly push it upwards when the groaning sound starts.

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