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  • AMS
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    • Jun 2017
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    #1

    [Jamming] mp2851

    Jam code 57 which is registration lag. It only happens with drawer 1 in the landscape direction. It works fine in portrait. This is an intermittent problem. Run 20 copies and it may jam on the 9th copy. What is happening is the second paper is moving to early thru the registration roller blocking sensor so the machine thinks the first paper is still there at the sensor. I have done all the usual suspects. Replaced paper feed and registration clutch. Clean sensors. I am going to update firmware and replace bcu board next. All other trays work fine. Just tray 1 in landscape jams and code 57. I was wondering if anyone else ever had this problem. Clutches always fixed it before. Thanks for any input. Mike
  • copyaction
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    #2
    Re: mp2851

    does drawer 2 work ok in landscape?
    how many copies on the machine?
    if not the clutch is registration roller bad?

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    • HitMan
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      • Aug 2015
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      #3
      Have you tried tray 2 in tray 1's slot? And tray 1 in tray 2? There might be a plastic stopper at the rear of tray2 which you can remove. I had a similar fault once done the usual of cleaning clutches etc.. then swapped the trays round and all was well.
      There's also a black sponge type mylar on the drum which could be causing lag. You can just tear it off and the machine will work fine.

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      • slimslob
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        • May 2013
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        #4
        Re: mp2851

        Landscape and portrait have to do with the way a picture is hung on the wall. Paper is loaded in the tray in either Long Edge Feed (LEF) or Short Edge Feed (SEF). Look at the depiction on the screen of the orientation of the paper and check that it matches the orientation of the paper in the tray. Someone may have set the paper size in user tools.

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        • copyaction
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          #5
          Re: mp2851

          Also make sure the drawer switch in the back of the machine has not popped out of it's holder

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          • DRichard
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            • May 2008
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            #6
            Re: mp2851

            Originally posted by slimslob
            Landscape and portrait have to do with the way a picture is hung on the wall.
            "Landscape" and "portrait" have to do with the subject matter of a picture or image. You can hang a portrait on the wall in the "landscape position" or hang a landscape in the "portrait position" if you like. But that would be just downright silly, wouldn't it?
            "Enjoy every sandwich."

            -- Warren Zevon

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            • AMS
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              • Jun 2017
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              #7
              Re: mp2851

              The problem is the paper feed clutch firing off before its supposed to at times. I replaced with a new clutch thinking it was sticking but the new one does the same thing. It only does it with long edge feed in. Drawer switching does same thing. I am going back Monday to update firmware and if that does not work replace bcu board. This machine had a bad controller board and ram about 2 months ago so another board may have gotten out of sync also. The machine has 250000 copies on it. If the firmware and board don't take care of it they will live with the paper feeding in short edge first on tray 1. That or junk it and sell them a new one.

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              • slimslob
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                #8
                Re: mp2851

                Originally posted by DRichard
                "Landscape" and "portrait" have to do with the subject matter of a picture or image. You can hang a portrait on the wall in the "landscape position" or hang a landscape in the "portrait position" if you like. But that would be just downright silly, wouldn't it?
                And they still hve nothing to do with how paper is loaded in a paper tray.

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                • copyaction
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                  #9
                  Re: mp2851

                  So it does it from the second drawer position too?
                  i would still check that drawer switch as well, I've seen that cause all types of intermittent jamming

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                  • slimslob
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                    #10
                    Re: mp2851

                    Originally posted by copyaction
                    Also make sure the drawer switch in the back of the machine has not popped out of it's holder
                    Originally posted by copyaction
                    So it does it from the second drawer position too?
                    i would still check that drawer switch as well, I've seen that cause all types of intermittent jamming
                    Are you referring to the paper size switch that is at the back of the paper tray cavity or the side fence switch on the back of the rear frame, item 30 below?
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                    • copyaction
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                      #11
                      Re: mp2851

                      Originally posted by slimslob
                      Are you referring to the paper size switch that is at the back of the paper tray cavity or the side fence switch on the back of the rear frame, item 30 below?
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                      Back of the rear frame, the one they later added a Mylar to because they were prone to popping out

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                      • slimslob
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                        #12
                        Re: mp2851

                        Originally posted by copyaction
                        Back of the rear frame, the one they later added a Mylar to because they were prone to popping out
                        I have had this a few times. 11 inch paper width will not be detected correctly. User will then set size in user tools. Paper feed jams will then occur as the switch is also used to set lift pressure.
                        Last edited by slimslob; 06-22-2017, 11:15 PM.

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                        • AMS
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                          #13
                          Re: mp2851

                          UPDATE: I reloaded firmware and solved the issue of the clutch firing off when it was not supposed to. Jamming issue resolved....

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                          • StephenB
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                            #14
                            Re: mp2851

                            Feed problems with the 2550: Tire, Sep pad, Black mylar side guides, Backstop ( even 1/8" out of position), Photo interupter switches on back of machine out of position, and the white feed roller securing arm I have found in the wrong position (especially Drawer 1). Only then start going to clutches , boards etc

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