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  • xcopier
    Technician
    • Aug 2015
    • 36

    Developer in the PCU gears

    Recently, i noticed that developer powder is making it to the gears of the PCU of our MP2000.

    This creates rough, grinding noises and worn out some of the gears.

    What could be causing it?

    Thanks in advance for your inputs.
  • sturmtrooper
    Copier Combobulator

    500+ Posts
    • May 2016
    • 589

    #2
    Re: Developer in the PCU gears

    Originally posted by xcopier
    Recently, i noticed that developer powder is making it to the gears of the PCU of our MP2000.

    This creates rough, grinding noises and worn out some of the gears.

    What could be causing it?

    Thanks in advance for your inputs.
    Age and wear and tear on parts. Best bet is to replace the lower dev unit or the mag roller gears will get eaten as well, eventually it won't work at all or will seize.

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    • sandmanmac
      Field Supervisor

      Site Contributor
      2,500+ Posts
      • Feb 2009
      • 3947

      #3
      Re: Developer in the PCU gears

      Originally posted by xcopier
      Recently, i noticed that developer powder is making it to the gears of the PCU of our MP2000.

      This creates rough, grinding noises and worn out some of the gears.

      What could be causing it?

      Thanks in advance for your inputs.
      Generic Dev?
      It's caused me issues like this in the past

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      • blazebusiness
        SanDiegoCopierRepair.com

        Site Contributor
        1,000+ Posts
        • Apr 2010
        • 1246

        #4
        Re: Developer in the PCU gears

        Originally posted by xcopier
        Recently, i noticed that developer powder is making it to the gears of the PCU of our MP2000.

        This creates rough, grinding noises and worn out some of the gears.

        What could be causing it?

        Thanks in advance for your inputs.
        This often happens because the developer unit was not replaced.....just the developer/starter. When we rebuild the pcu we replace the drum,developer, and starter to ensure reliable performance. Replacing all those parts is expensive though, so many customers just install the Type 1027 PCU and run the developer calibration. While that works and lasts quite a while, and is very affordable, those 1027 drum units don't last as long as they normally would because the dv unit gear drive is slightly different.
        sigpicAnything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough- San Diego Copier Repair.com

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        • slimslob
          Retired

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          25,000+ Posts
          • May 2013
          • 35064

          #5
          Re: Developer in the PCU gears

          Normal wear and tear on bushing in the bushings the development unit. Truthfully it is only normal if you try to push the pm cycle or use third party developer. Depleted developer gets into the bushings which further wears them.

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          • COPIERMAN
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Jun 2009
            • 553

            #6
            Re: Developer in the PCU gears

            we rebuild units all the time. Replace seals and gears and you have to look at auger shafts it worn you have to replace lower unit. i have ran oem devlp and toner units and they last as long on the generic stuff. Other things is foam seals wear out so at some point you have to replace lower units or mag holder assy. i buy devlp powder from copylite and toner and seals and gears from china.

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            • Mark Bbb
              Service Manager

              1,000+ Posts
              • Jun 2012
              • 1662

              #7
              Re: Developer in the PCU gears

              I only replace development units when this issue occurs.
              Pouring developer in the development tank needs to be done without spilling, thus very carrefully.
              Transport a mp2000 could case this issue too.

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              • MitchD
                Trusted Tech

                100+ Posts
                • Oct 2012
                • 164

                #8
                Re: Developer in the PCU gears

                Originally posted by blazebusiness
                This often happens because the developer unit was not replaced.....just the developer/starter. When we rebuild the pcu we replace the drum,developer, and starter to ensure reliable performance. Replacing all those parts is expensive though, so many customers just install the Type 1027 PCU and run the developer calibration. While that works and lasts quite a while, and is very affordable, those 1027 drum units don't last as long as they normally would because the dv unit gear drive is slightly different.
                This was our normal practice as well. Seemed to work fine and almost 99.9% of the time eliminated the dev working in the gears problem.

                But Ricoh has recently discontinued the Type 1027 PCU. We are out of stock and currently looking for an (gasp) aftermarket solution for our customers that just flat refuse to upgrade to a copier built in this decade.

                Good luck everyone
                "Heavy music to the normal ear is nothing but a loud annoyance. Most people think of it as obnoxious, talentless music but to someone who really listens and is really in love with music knows how beautiful and amazing it can be" Tommy Rogers of Between The Buried and Me"

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                • copyaction
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                  • Oct 2007
                  • 976

                  #9

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                  • 8T2
                    Trusted Tech

                    250+ Posts
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 257

                    #10
                    Re: Developer in the PCU gears

                    We scoop out about a tablespoon of developer, from day 1 on installation. It really works and the loss in yield is negligible. Copy quality issues annoy users less than a machine asking for toner when the bottle is full and sitting with a seized dev gears...especially if they already waited a day for the toner delivery just to have toner spilling everywhere and making a mess when they try to change the toner

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                    • sturmtrooper
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                      500+ Posts
                      • May 2016
                      • 589

                      #11
                      Re: Developer in the PCU gears

                      Originally posted by MitchD
                      our customers that just flat refuse to upgrade to a copier built in this decade.

                      Good luck everyone
                      Sadly even that won't save you. The MP2553 series launched in 2013 still uses the same style development unit as the MP2000, slight differences but same operational theory.

                      It wasn't until the MP2554 that they threw out that designed and make something new. Even the the MP2501 is almost the same being that it's mostly an upscaled Mp301

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                      • slimslob
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                        • May 2013
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                        #12
                        Re: Developer in the PCU gears

                        Originally posted by MitchD
                        This was our normal practice as well. Seemed to work fine and almost 99.9% of the time eliminated the dev working in the gears problem.

                        But Ricoh has recently discontinued the Type 1027 PCU. We are out of stock and currently looking for an (gasp) aftermarket solution for our customers that just flat refuse to upgrade to a copier built in this decade.

                        Good luck everyone
                        For over a year, Ricoh has been shipping rebuilt PCU's labeled as Type 1027R. This is most likely due to the the fact that since the introduction of the MP2510/3010 many techs have been using Type 1027 PCU instead of rebuilding the 2510 PCU. Those needing to replace a Type 1027 PCU with a PCU for a MP 2510 and then rebuilding every 60K.

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                        • copyaction
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                          • Oct 2007
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                          #13
                          Re: Developer in the PCU gears

                          Originally posted by slimslob
                          For over a year, Ricoh has been shipping rebuilt PCU's labeled as Type 1027R. This is most likely due to the the fact that since the introduction of the MP2510/3010 many techs have been using Type 1027 PCU instead of rebuilding the 2510 PCU. Those needing to replace a Type 1027 PCU with a PCU for a MP 2510 and then rebuilding every 60K.
                          also been using the type 1027 pcu in the 2851 series. And it can be used in the 2852 series with a slight modification.

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                          • xcopier
                            Technician
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 36

                            #14
                            Re: Developer in the PCU gears

                            In our country, we are still able to buy replacement parts for our MP2000 and 2018D. Parts that often wear out such as development gears, transfer roller gears and the gear between the registration clutch and the main gearbox are still available.

                            Entire PCU's are still available for the equivalent of about US$120.

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