The differences between the 2228c series and the 3228c series

[JOEBOOROCKSYOU]

they both look exactly the same inside and out..

all the consumables the same...?

[Koosie]

They do have different stickers on the front cover...

[Canadian Tech]

Consumables and parts are different.

[Shadow1]

No oil in the fuser in the 32 series, different toner which means different developers, the drums are similar but be careful because the length of the waste toner auger is different. Rebuildable fuser on the 32 series has a shorter PM life and costs more for the parts to rebuild than the entire replacement unit on a 22 series, plus it's a pain in the 'nads. Because of the toner the 3228 has a higher pcu and transfer belt blade failure rate.
Still a good machine, but not an improvement.

[JOEBOOROCKSYOU]

No oil in the fuser in the 32 series, different toner which means different developers, the drums are similar but be careful because the length of the waste toner auger is different. Rebuildable fuser on the 32 series has a shorter PM life and costs more for the parts to rebuild than the entire replacement unit on a 22 series, plus it's a pain in the 'nads. Because of the toner the 3228 has a higher pcu and transfer belt blade failure rate.
Still a good machine, but not an improvement.

yea, the fuser replacment cost seems to be the big issue here for me..

what are the real life yields on the consumables:

fuser:
dv units:
drum units:

i know katun has rebuild kits for the opc's.
has anyone done one yet...? are they relible..?

who has the parts for the fusers...?

[rthonpm]

In my overall experience, the PCUs for the 32 series with coverage around spec can go at least 200% of their expected yield (using the accounting of SP 7-803-38 through 41). Failure usually seems to happen around 250% of yield, almost always failing in the order of K,M,C,Y.
Developer units can go until they start running dirty, and usually don't really crap out until around the same per centage as the drums.
For the fusers, if you replace the oiler and cleaning rollers at the manual suggested 60,000 or 52,000 for the LD328c the rest of the unit will keep chugging for close to the life of the machine. I have a few units out there with all of the original parts except for the oilers with well over 500,000 clicks on them.
Pretty much the most essential maintenance is the oiler and cleaner for the fuser and transfer cleaning blade at 250,000 pages and the machine will go pretty well for you.

[Shadow1]

The "oiler" tracks on the inside of the belt and is a glorified tension roller - I want to know what IDIOT designed this because it is a pain in the ass to work on. The fuser typically does go far beyond its rating, but why is it more expensive to rebuild one than to totally replace it when the basic design is the same - not counting the tech's load rating. That was my major gripe with the engineers: We have enough to do, don't cripple the click rating on a unit AND make us spend moe time rebuilding them.

On the other hand, the copy quality is better, and Developer life pretty much depends on how fast the drive gears eat themselves. I've rarely had to replace Dev units for copy quality issues unless the gears were stripped and that color was completely missing.

Fusing is better on heavier stocks, and paper feed in general is better.

In general I like these better than the MPC4500 style machines. The fusers take a rediculous amount of time to rebuild, and the Drum/Dev is much harder to repalce than it needs to be.

[JOEBOOROCKSYOU]

thanks guys for the help..