Question about PMs

[cobiray]

The dirty ones always take longer, but that's the reason why. Usually keeping up on the PM's on these (150k or close to) keeps them running reasonably clean. I've got techs who only want to replace whats failed at that time (i.e. drum and blade, charge roller or whatever) and leave the rest for later. I agree it takes over an hour to do a thorough job, but it will save on call backs in the long run.

[Ollie1981]

It usually takes me an hour and a half to do something like a 1035/1045, to fix a straightforward fault and to give a thorough service.

...That is if the machine is in decent condition and hasn't been dumping toner

We definitely don't specifically PM call these machines, most of them are in large offices where some assclown is going to break something well before 150k, plus these things suffer far more regularly from copy quality problems than the next range up (MP7500) so you're usually back well within PM cycles.

One of the most irritating things about these machines is the fact that some white coated boffin thought it'd be a good idea to have the highly dust sensitive laser assembly directly below the toner hopper assembly.

I find on a machine that's had a history of dumping toner, or a halfwit in the office who inserts the bottle after removing the inner bung, it's only a matter of time before SC322/326 starts rearing it's ugly, time consuming and expensive head.

I make no secret of the fact that I hate these machines, they aren't the worst machine ever invented, but this is the model range that has caused me the most problems since I stared working on Ricohs....

....hehe, but watch me change my tune when I start working on 1224c's

[Jomama46]

I believe we sing the same tune.
All the 35/45s are crappy, you have to do the PMs on time but still you have the same problems over and over, generation to generation. including the most present.
The 1224 was, thank God, short lived, I just hope I out-live them.
Me and My Redheaded friend Johnny Have had many a talk on this subject. He understands me so well.

[iMind]

I believe we sing the same tune.
All the 35/45s are crappy, you have to do the PMs on time but still you have the same problems over and over, generation to generation. including the most present.
The 1224 was, thank God, short lived, I just hope I out-live them.
Me and My Redheaded friend Johnny Have had many a talk on this subject. He understands me so well.

[paulg]

It usually takes me an hour and a half to do something like a 1035/1045, to fix a straightforward fault and to give a thorough service.

...That is if the machine is in decent condition and hasn't been dumping toner

We definitely don't specifically PM call these machines, most of them are in large offices where some assclown is going to break something well before 150k, plus these things suffer far more regularly from copy quality problems than the next range up (MP7500) so you're usually back well within PM cycles.

One of the most irritating things about these machines is the fact that some white coated boffin thought it'd be a good idea to have the highly dust sensitive laser assembly directly below the toner hopper assembly.

I find on a machine that's had a history of dumping toner, or a halfwit in the office who inserts the bottle after removing the inner bung, it's only a matter of time before SC322/326 starts rearing it's ugly, time consuming and expensive head.

I make no secret of the fact that I hate these machines, they aren't the worst machine ever invented, but this is the model range that has caused me the most problems since I stared working on Ricohs....

....hehe, but watch me change my tune when I start working on 1224c's

1035's gotta say most of these run well for us, but we always were encouraged to pm on the dot.
That was then changed in the lead up to joining with our sister company who i think you work for?
Most of the intermediate calls between pm's i found were jams because the rollers were worn out, chargables, or a non pm item failing.

Now we go and change this and then that and strangely most of the parts wear out at the same time as thats what they were designed to do

[iMind]

Now we go and change this and then that and strangely most of the parts wear out at the same time as thats what they were designed to do

OK, thats true but there are some parts that certianly do the double, that I can guarantee you. if you work in town theres no need to put in all PM parts at once. "got a katana with 1000K still the same pick-up roller separation roller and belt, just clean with felt, works full day ARDF no constant jams, just normal jams with some punched originals" service manual: replace 120K
what do you say about this?

[Ricoh-ono]

"got a katana with 1000K still the same pick-up roller separation roller and belt, just clean with felt, works full day ARDF no constant jams, just normal jams with some punched originals" service manual: replace 120K
what do you say about this?

The machine may have a million but the what is the ADF counter?

[iMind]

The machine may have a million but the what is the ADF counter?

OK, well observedjust remember who byes a katana rarely work with platen glass. LOL

[iMind]

OK, well observed, you got me on that one, right, on monday I´ll print a SMC and give you the correct number but certianly its done twice or three times the PM. hehehe, just remember who byes a katana rarely work with platen glass. LOL

Understand this, I don´t recomend doing bad PMs, I also know what a Adonis can become with a no good PM, could get toner up to your Head, LOL
" I just said some parts could double the counts", 13 years of Ricoh experience can learn you that. You and me can change every thing because we have the backgound to support us, but a tech with low budjet could certianly pass over some of the PM parts as long as he knows what his doing.
controling Vsp, Vsg, ID, auto process control and so on, and not doing memory clears for every f* reason, you, we all know that crap...

[paulg]

OK, thats true but there are some parts that certianly do the double, that I can guarantee you. if you work in town theres no need to put in all PM parts at once. "got a katana with 1000K still the same pick-up roller separation roller and belt, just clean with felt, works full day ARDF no constant jams, just normal jams with some punched originals" service manual: replace 120K
what do you say about this?

Agreed the df rollers and belt we rarely change in the life of any machine in the Ricoh range. Clean them up and off they go, change the sep roller now and then.
But its worth ensuring the rollers are removed to stop a bulit up dust which gives that horrible squeeking noise. Also using sillicon oill or polish on the glass helps to prolong the life of the glass and reduce jams.

I know many parts last longer and adjust for that, changing certain key parts prolongs the life of others i find. Also PM is not just about changing parts its about maintaining the machine cleaning away bulid up of dust and lubing and greasing the correct parts so the copier runs in the best condtion.
Relying on Em's is risky and means these copiers which were really good and realiable for long periods of time and copies for the first year or so suddenly need either huge amounts of emgency work or realabilty drops off dramtically.

[Ricoh-ono]

Agreed the df rollers and belt we rarely change in the life of any machine in the Ricoh range. Clean them up and off they go, change the sep roller now and then.
But its worth ensuring the rollers are removed to stop a bulit up dust which gives that horrible squeeking noise. Also using sillicon oill or polish on the glass helps to prolong the life of the glass and reduce jams.

I know many parts last longer and adjust for that, changing certain key parts prolongs the life of others i find. Also PM is not just about changing parts its about maintaining the machine cleaning away bulid up of dust and lubing and greasing the correct parts so the copier runs in the best condtion.
Relying on Em's is risky and means these copiers which were really good and realiable for long periods of time and copies for the first year or so suddenly need either huge amounts of emgency work or realabilty drops off dramtically.

Well said.

[iMind]

Well said.

Ye, I also agee, but most of them go thru to the next PM by only cleaning and checking the most important parts, no reason to name them out, because they are Ricohs Hehehe..............

[paulg]

just remember who byes a katana rarely work with platen glass. LOL

Sadly some of the law firms and schools in particular do a lot of glass work and boy does that hammer the units. Think yourself very lucky

[iMind]

OK, well observed, you got me on that one, right, on monday I´ll print a SMC and give you the correct number but certianly its done twice or three times the PM. hehehe, just remember who byes a katana rarely work with platen glass. LOL

OK, here´s my correction, Adf front side 482,323K back side 130,091K, still over PM limits hehe, "Its a Ricoh"
Remember I don´t recomend bad PM.

[cobiray]

Ye, I also agee, but most of them go thru to the next PM by only cleaning and checking the most important parts, no reason to name them out, because they are Ricohs Hehehe..............

I think a lot of that has to do with the machine environment and originals being run through the ADF. But, I agree that the ADF units are very reliable on these units.

Also, it doesn't take much more than 5 minutes to swap out new feed components and there are not copious amounts of toner when you need to.